If UT leaves, and the Big XII opens up, and.....

[SA DAVE]

I don't know if anyone has caught this, but a Kansas paper is reportedly saying that Texas and the Big Eleven have had discussions of merging.

In chaos theory, the flapping of butterfly wings sets off a chain of events that are easily alterable. If so, could the flapping of the Big Eleven's gums affect FBS all the way down to FCS - - particularly UTSA?


http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Texas-to-the-Big-Ten-Slightly-less-crazy-than-i;_ylt=AtEL_ZIyqcSh3BiH0DVcTMc5nYcB?urn=ncaaf,2190 90

[lebomb]

Its aint happnin..............

[Dr. Gonzo]

:lmao UTSA in the Big 12. :lmao :lmao

Fucking moron.

[SA DAVE]

umm.... no one said/implied/speculated that UTSA was going to the Big XII

[bugoy]

toss up between UH and TCU, i see TCU getting in it

[SA DAVE]

I'd give it less than a 1/2 percent of it actually happening, but if it did, the Big XII would look pretty ugly - especially since the North has not been as good as when the conference started.

FBS Conference rumors of realignment, from the Pac 10 and Big Eleven, have made plenty of conferences get nervous, and plenty of FCS schools, like UNC-Charlotte, Jax State, UTSA, get anxious.

I think many people agree that conferences want to have conference tourneys to crown a champion before the bowls start. Of course the only way to do that is to add teams to make the standard 12 team coference. If expansion rumors and moves [like the Pac 10 hiring a Big XII exec] have started, then it seems like Hickey is looking like a bigger genius each day. When it's all said and done,everybody is gonna look at her like the birth child of fn steven hawking and marie curie, distant relative of nostradamus.

[jb4g]

They flirted with the Big 10 years back, but the main issue then was travel. Now with Penn St in the mix that problem only gets worse....I just dont see it happening. I personally think the Big 11 takes Pitt over Missouri. The Pac 10 is sure to get in on the action as well, and seems to have its eyes on Colorado and Utah. Everyone seems to agree TCU is next in line for the Big 12, but do you put them in the North or the South???? and If they happen to lose both Missouri and Colorado, whos the second team invited to the party?

[chrisattsu]

Anything is possible.
I have seen internet rumors for each of the following-

To Pac10
Colorado
Utah
Boise
UNLV
Texas
New Mexico

To Big12
Colorado State
Utah
New Mexico
TCU
Houston
BYU
Arizona
Arizona State
Arkansas

To Big10
Rutgers
'Cuse
Pitt
Nebraska
Missouri
Kansas
Notre Dame
Texas
UConn

To BigEast
East Carolina
Memphis
Central Florida
UNC-Charlotte
Temple

To ACC
I haven't heard anything

To SEC
Texas
Texas A&M
West Virginia

To MWC
Boise
Fresno
Nevada
Houston
UTEP

To CUSA
Florida Atlantic
Troy
North Texas
Louisiana Tech
UT-San Antonio
UNC-Charlotte
Arkansas State

To WAC
UT-San Antonio
Texas State
Cal Poly
UC-Davis
Montana
North Dakota State
Sac State
North Texas
Denver
Lamar
Sam Houston

To SBC
UT-San Antonio
Texas State
Jax State
Georgia State
UNC-Charlotte
Missouri State
Georgia Southern
App State
Lamar
Sam Houston

To MAC
Middle Tennessee
Western Kentucky
Missouri State

[chrisattsu]

They flirted with the Big 10 years back, but the main issue then was travel. Now with Penn St in the mix that problem only gets worse....I just dont see it happening. I personally think the Big 11 takes Pitt over Missouri. The Pac 10 is sure to get in on the action as well, and seems to have its eyes on Colorado and Utah. Everyone seems to agree TCU is next in line for the Big 12, but do you put them in the North or the South???? and If they happen to lose both Missouri and Colorado, whos the second team invited to the party?

I speculated on this on the Bobcat board. You are in a tough situation. Because of the money and rivalries you are not likely to pull teams from the SEC (Arkansas and LSU) which means your choices need to come from MWC or CUSA


If Missouri or Colorado leaves-
Add Colorado State. Keeps the Denver market or keeps the U/State rivarly

push Oklahoma State to the North and Add New Mexico, TCU, or Houston

If Missouri AND Colorado leave-
Push Oklahoma and OSU to the North. Add any combo any combo of TCU / UH / UTEP / UNM to the South

If Texas leaves (providing they are the only ones)-
Replace with New Mexico / UTEP. This creates BU/A&M TTU/NM/UTEP rivalry and travel partners.

Add Houston. Large Public Institution with alumni bases for TTU, A&M, BU

Add TCU. Smaller, but possible. Large number of alumni in DFW for all current south schools.

If Texas and Texas A&M leave and the rest of the conference survives-
Add Houston and TCU. Keeps it relevant in Houston, and DFW
Add New Mexico and UTEP.


Something tells me that if Texas A&M bolted, you would see the Big XII dissolve. Baylor would be better suited moving back inline with Tulane, Rice, Tulsa, SMU.

Texas Tech could attempt to tag along with Oklahoma / OSU into whatever conference that they are heading towards. Or maybe they go Mountain West (as they are located halfway between TCU and UNM.

[ChumpDumper]

I can't imagine why anyone mentions Sam Houston or Lamar as potentially moving up to FBS anytime soon. There isn't even the slightest hint that either is exploring the possibility.

[bugoy]

I can't imagine why anyone mentions Sam Houston or Lamar as potentially moving up to FBS anytime soon. There isn't even the slightest hint that either is exploring the possibility.


a lot of boards probablt say they cant imagine how UTSA gets mentioned to going to SBC MWC and CUSA yet they havnt even played a down yet :lol


call me crazy but i want MWC over CUSA -_-

[ChumpDumper]

I really don't think UTSA will be spending the kind of money MWC schools lay down. I'd even say C-USA is a bit of a stretch, but it looks like budgets are coming down across the board so who knows?

[mookie2001]

This is the kind of topic non sports fans talk about


It's not happening anytime soon

Book it

hear me now and believe me later

listen to me now and hear me later



Chumpdumper is posting in this thread, what does that tell you?

Have fun making your cute fantasy conferences. It's not happening

[chrisattsu]

I can't imagine why anyone mentions Sam Houston or Lamar as potentially moving up to FBS anytime soon. There isn't even the slightest hint that either is exploring the possibility.

TexasTerror will be able to address this with links.

Sam Houston State conducted a feasibility study to determine if they could make the jump because Texas State was already working that direction and UTSA and Lamar had made it no secret that they were starting football teams from scratch and hoped to play FBS. The study came back positive.

Terror has indicated that Sam understands the importance of athletics, and they will not be left behind. If Lamar jumps around the time that Texas State and UTSA do, we may see Sam considering it as well. At which point SFA will try to follow Sam.

[ChumpDumper]

I find the realignment speculation quite tedious. All that can really be said is that there is a fair chance it will happen and it could affect the situation in the three or four conferences in which UTSA could realistically land; that list does not include the one currently known as the Big 12.

[centexguy]

I can't imagine why anyone mentions Sam Houston or Lamar as potentially moving up to FBS anytime soon. There isn't even the slightest hint that either is exploring the possibility.

Lamar has been hinting they may go FBS in the next 5 years or so. Dr. Simmons, Lamar's president, has said that they could easily expand the football stadium to 35,000. Lamar just spent $3.7 million on a new soccer field and are spending over $26 million on renovations to the football stadium (including a 44,000 square foot athletic complex). In a few years they plan on spending $5 million to renovate the baseball stadium.

I doubt they would spend that kind of money and remain in the SLC. They already have a nice 10K seat basketball arena so they'll have some of the best facilities in the conference. It was back in the '80s that Lamar left the SLC along with La Tech, Arkansas State and UL-Lafayette and a lot of alumni were upset when they stepped back down into the SLC. Billy Tubbs, Lamar's AD, has been rebuilding the athletic department and will probably use his connections to get Lamar into a better conference.

[ChumpDumper]

TexasTerror will be able to address this with links.

Sam Houston State conducted a feasibility study to determine if they could make the jump because Texas State was already working that direction and UTSA and Lamar had made it no secret that they were starting football teams from scratch and hoped to play FBS. The study came back positive.

Terror has indicated that Sam understands the importance of athletics, and they will not be left behind. If Lamar jumps around the time that Texas State and UTSA do, we may see Sam considering it as well. At which point SFA will try to follow Sam.So considering all the infrastructure and money involved, were probably talking about a decade in the future.

As I said, I can't imagine why anyone mentions Sam Houston or Lamar as potentially moving up to FBS anytime soon. I will modify the "slightest hint" phrase, but it's not much farther along than that.

I remember Lamar's being in the Sun Belt, how did that work out for them?

[frankstanks2]

starting to get ridiculous....one thing about txst and then utsa, but lamar and sh too? if that is the case, why dont they just try to promote the slc to fbs!!!

[andyrunner06]

Well if UTSA, TXST, SHSU, and Lamar all left, the SLC is in deep dodo. But given the speculation that the conferences are going to be have BIG changes, who knows, there might be a spot for all four! I am not against anybody trying to go FBS, it is only the natural way to do it, you want your team to compete at the highest level. But then again, football is very expensive, not all schools can support. But in UTSA, I believe! Beep Beep....

[mookie2001]

That means Edna State and Telferner Tech to the southland

bout time

[DMX7]

I really don't think UTSA will be spending the kind of money MWC schools lay down. I'd even say C-USA is a bit of a stretch, but it looks like budgets are coming down across the board so who knows?

THIS.

And I didn't even read the all the posts on this thread but whoever suggested that UTSA even wanted in the Big XII is Retarded... Capital "R", Sarah Palin Retarded.

So get the fuck out of this thread, Dr. Gonzo.

[ChumpDumper]

That's what happens when people only read the thread title and bloat their ignorant chodes all over it.

[mookie2001]

Bloat? Like from energy drinks?

[bugoy]

TexasTerror will be able to address this with links.

Sam Houston State conducted a feasibility study to determine if they could make the jump because Texas State was already working that direction and UTSA and Lamar had made it no secret that they were starting football teams from scratch and hoped to play FBS. The study came back positive.

Terror has indicated that Sam understands the importance of athletics, and they will not be left behind. If Lamar jumps around the time that Texas State and UTSA do, we may see Sam considering it as well. At which point SFA will try to follow Sam.
texas state is jumping to FBS the same time we are? i thought they are just waiting for the NCAA announcement then read and react accordingly

[ChumpDumper]

Bloat? Like from energy drinks?Exactly like that.

Or not.

[DMX7]

This thread is all full of FAIL.

[ChumpDumper]

This thread is all full of FAIL.You're right. I think the correct spelling is "bload" but it's meaning seems quite fluid, so to speak, so I think that might have been on my mind.

My bad.

[blkroadrunners]

:rollin

[DMX7]

You're right. I think the correct spelling is "bload" but it's meaning seems quite fluid, so to speak, so I think that might have been on my mind.

My bad.

I wasn't targeting you with my post but I don't know what's going on any more.

[ChumpDumper]

I wasn't targeting you with my post but I don't know what's going on any more.I know you weren't and no one does.

[TexasTerror]

Re: SHSU...

SHSU is in the process or has started a feasibility study that will be more of an external look at the way the department does business and what it needs to do in order to have more success.

The FBS issue is part of the equation and polls have been sent to alums regarding willingness to donate if we go FBS, what schools we feel we should be on equal footing to (athletically/academically), etc.

If any two of the three - TXST, Lamar and SFA - go FBS...SHSU will follow.

I do not think the current President likes being behind TXST in anything. We've already fended off flagship attempts by some in their brass because we are equal, if not ahead academically in areas that matter most (post-grad education and research $$$). Doubt we'd lay idle while they just jumped to FBS.

Lamar is the third fiddle in the TSUS as much as any of them would be willing to acknowledge. They were never mentioned in flagship and were far from proactive as an institution when name changes to ALL member institutions was on the table in the TSUS. If the $$$ continues to roll in for athletics, they could be positioned to go FBS at the same time as TXST, if not also before SHSU.

[bugoy]

Re: SHSU...

SHSU is in the process or has started a feasibility study that will be more of an external look at the way the department does business and what it needs to do in order to have more success.

The FBS issue is part of the equation and polls have been sent to alums regarding willingness to donate if we go FBS, what schools we feel we should be on equal footing to (athletically/academically), etc.

If any two of the three - TXST, Lamar and SFA - go FBS...SHSU will follow.

I do not think the current President likes being behind TXST in anything. We've already fended off flagship attempts by some in their brass because we are equal, if not ahead academically in areas that matter most (post-grad education and research $$$). Doubt we'd lay idle while they just jumped to FBS.

Lamar is the third fiddle in the TSUS as much as any of them would be willing to acknowledge. They were never mentioned in flagship and were far from proactive as an institution when name changes to ALL member institutions was on the table in the TSUS. If the $$$ continues to roll in for athletics, they could be positioned to go FBS at the same time as TXST, if not also before SHSU.
ive seen you post the above before in the bobcat board....what does that mean? fended off flagship attempts?

[Blake]

THIS.

And I didn't even read the all the posts on this thread but whoever suggested that UTSA even wanted in the Big XII is Retarded... Capital "R", Sarah Palin Retarded.

So get the fuck out of this thread, Dr. Gonzo.

:lol don't fool yourself. if the Big XII ever dangled an invitation in front of UTSA they'd be stumbling all over themselves to grab it. It's retarded to suggest that they have visions of mediocrity.

[Runner-In-Austin]

I posted a link to this UT/Big XII story on tailgaters yesterday. However, I wasn't thinking we would get the invite. I was wondering how that would trickle down and effect other conferences and UTSA. No way is UTSA ready for Big XII. Nor would we be a top 10 option for the Big XII to offer a membership to. Besides this is only a rumor and Texas already has it pretty easy in the Big XII.

[Blake]

I'm wondering exactly how the talks went down between UT and the Big 10.

Surely it was the Big 10 that was courting UT and all UT did was just sit there and listen. I can't imagine any reason that UT would actually be the one to call the Big 10.

[andyrunner06]

ive seen you post the above before in the bobcat board....what does that mean? fended off flagship attempts?

I can try to answer this question. All major school systems in Texas and in other states have a "flagship" school, meaning they are the best academically. They are doing the most research, having the best students.

For example in Texas, there are several systems, North Texas system, University of Houston system, Texas Tech System, University of Texas system, Texas A&M systems, and Texas State University system. I think we all know who the flagships are, UT, Texas A&M, UNT, Texas Tech. I think Texas State system is trying to decide who is there flagship.

And it seems that Texas State and Sam Houston are the front runners. Also, aside from getting prestige, the flagship status will also give you more funding.

[TexasTerror]

I think Texas State system is trying to decide who is there flagship.

And it seems that Texas State and Sam Houston are the front runners. Also, aside from getting prestige, the flagship status will also give you more funding.

Correct...

Different parties are trying to bring about a flagship in our system. TXST had a very outspoken group of people working to do that, namely those who were involved in the name change.

SHSU protected itself from any name changes two years before Lamar, Sul Ross and SFA did. SHSU also produced a flagship study in '05 that made it clear that we were equal, if not more deserving of flagship based on the criteria of a flagship school.

[Blake]

I can try to answer this question. All major school systems in Texas and in other states have a "flagship" school, meaning they are the best academically. They are doing the most research, having the best students.

For example in Texas, there are several systems, North Texas system, University of Houston system, Texas Tech System, University of Texas system, Texas A&M systems, and Texas State University system. I think we all know who the flagships are, UT, Texas A&M, UNT, Texas Tech. I think Texas State system is trying to decide who is there flagship.

And it seems that Texas State and Sam Houston are the front runners. Also, aside from getting prestige, the flagship status will also give you more funding.

Parts of that are incorrect.

UT and A&M are currently the two flagship universities of the state of Texas.

There have been talks of designating a third in which schools such as TTech, Houston, (who are among the real front runners) and others have been pushing to get that designation.

[andyrunner06]

Parts of that are incorrect.

UT and A&M are currently the two flagship universities of the state of Texas.

There have been talks of designating a third in which schools such as TTech, Houston, (who are among the real front runners) and others have been pushing to get that designation.

You are correct also, but I meant that TTech and Houston are flagship of their system. U H system and Texas Tech System. They don't belong to the UT or A&M but have their own. What Houston, TTech, UTSA, UT-Arlington, UTEP, UNT are fighting for are research intensive designation as defined by Carnagie Mellon.

[Blake]

You are correct also, but I meant that TTech and Houston are flagship of their system. U H system and Texas Tech System. They don't belong to the UT or A&M but have their own. What Houston, TTech, UTSA, UT-Arlington, UTEP, UNT are fighting for are research intensive designation as defined by Carnagie Mellon.

then what exactly are Texas State and Sam Houston the front runners for?

[andyrunner06]

then what exactly are Texas State and Sam Houston the front runners for?

They are the front runners for flagship status for their own system. The Texas State Universities System.

[Runner-In-Austin]

Don't confuse Flagship status with Tier One status.

[Blake]

Don't confuse Flagship status with Tier One status.

I'm fully aware of the three current tier 1 universities in Texas and the two flagship universities in Texas.

I'm not sure you are.

[Runner-In-Austin]

Blake, I'm aware. I was just pointing out that there's a difference. Don't take it personal. Anyway, the word, here in Austin, is UT only listened to the BIG10. Nothing more. UT has it too good in the BigXII.

[Blake]

Blake, I'm aware. I was just pointing out that there's a difference. Don't take it personal.

I was just pointing out that andyrunner's post was incorrect. I didn't take it personal. I'm not sure how you inferred that I might be confusing tier one with flagship.

[chrisattsu]

They are the front runners for flagship status for their own system. The Texas State Universities System.

The history of the TSUS is slightly different than the other state university systems. Where some of these systems were created around a particular university, The TSUS was created to be a governing body and standardize curriculum for the state's 'normal' schools (teacher's colleges).

There was no flagship declared because there did not need to be, nor was there a need for a strong chancellor. This tradition has remained, but there are some that believe that there needs to be a 'flagship' institution and strong chancellor.

[jb4g]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/columnists/mike_finger/UT_to_Big_Ten_Not_as_crazy_as_it_seems.html

Mike Finger (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/columnists/mike_finger/mike_finger.html) - Mike Finger

Last month, two days before the Texas Longhorns played in the Bowl Championship Series title game, UT athletic director DeLoss Dodds sat down in a California hotel and talked about contingency plans.
Yes, he said, he has a few. Yes, he said, he's thought about what UT would do if college sports entered another period of widespread conference realignment. He wouldn't be doing his job correctly, he said, if he didn't contemplate such scenarios. But he also insisted he didn't think there will ever be a need to look outside the Big 12.
“We're in a good place,” Dodds said.
The question now is, what if the Longhorns find a better one?
The Lawrence (Kan.) Journal World reported this week that Big Ten officials have approached UT about joining that league, and the two sides have had “preliminary exchanges” as the conference looks to expand to 12 or more members.
The first part of that equation makes perfect sense, because it's obvious why the Big Ten would be interested in UT. With the possible exception of Notre Dame, there is no expansion candidate more attractive to the Big Ten than the Longhorns. Not only is the school a good academic fit, the Longhorns also have the richest and most marketable athletic program in the country. Even more importantly, adding UT would allow the Big Ten to gain a foothold for its television network in coveted markets such as Houston and Dallas-Fort Worth, with a base of guaranteed viewers schools such as Missouri, Iowa State or Pittsburgh can't offer.
The decision, then, comes down to UT, which did not confirm or deny reports of talks with the Big Ten on Wednesday (an athletic department spokesman said UT “won't comment on speculation and rumors”).
The most compelling enticement for UT, unsurprisingly, is money. Even though the Longhorns receive the largest portion of the Big 12's TV revenues (based on their frequent appearances on national broadcasts), they still would stand to receive at least $8 million more per year by getting a 1/12 piece of the Big Ten's $242-million pie. And most likely, few of the UT professors who complained about Mack Brown's recent raise would have a problem with the perks that come with membership to the Big Ten's academic consortium.
As for other reasons why UT might listen — on Dodds' list of contingency plans, wouldn't a pre-emptive strike be preferable to watching Missouri leave for the Big Ten, Colorado go to the Pac-10 and then being forced to scramble for alternatives?
The Longhorns won't be swayed by loyalty or a sense of obligation to the relatively new Big 12, which never achieved the cohesiveness between the old Big Eight and Southwest Conference factions its organizers had hoped for. Instead, there are only two concerns that might make UT hesitant about moving to the Big Ten — travel, and the rivalry factor.
Four or five weekend football trips per year to the Midwest shouldn't be much of an issue, but the Longhorns do have to study the feasibility of sending golf, tennis and swimming teams on 1,400-mile road trips every other week (even if getting to Northwestern and Ohio State is easier than traveling to Manhattan, Kan., and Ames, Iowa).
More pivotal could be what to do about Texas A&M and Oklahoma. The Longhorns need to play their rivals in football every year, and two nonconference games of that magnitude could make for a gauntlet of a schedule. One solution would be convincing the Big Ten to add A&M (also an academic fit) as well.
The intriguing part of all this is that no program in college sports' current setup is better positioned to make money and win championships than the Longhorns are in the Big 12. But realignment could change that in a hurry.
And that's why those in good places are always open to someplace better.

[Blake]

that's incredible.

It seems to me that if it weren't for A&M hanging around that UT would have no real reason not to leave for the Big 10.

The Big XII should fire their commissioner just on this alone.

[DMX7]

Texas isn't happy in the BigXII (althought it should be). I've been saying this for a long time. However, I wouldn't put too much stock in anything Mike Finger writes.

[bugoy]

Texas isn't happy in the BigXII (althought it should be). I've been saying this for a long time. However, I wouldn't put too much stock in anything Mike Finger writes.
why wouldnt they be happy?

[DMX7]

why wouldnt they be happy?

Did you read this thread? :(

[NFO]

why wouldnt they be happy?

Would you be happy knowing that Northwestern and Indiana each make more money in TV revenue than you by about 7 to 10 million a year.

I think there is more reason why UT may not be happy in the Big 12, but knowing non-football type programs make more TV revenue than you probably eats at your ego a little bit.

[DMX7]

Would you be happy knowing that Northwestern and Indiana each make more money in TV revenue than you by about 7 to 10 million a year.

I think there is more reason why UT may not be happy in the Big 12, but knowing non-football type programs make more TV revenue than you probably eats at your ego a little bit.

who is "you"? lol, I've never seen someone refer to a university as "you". :lmao

[NFO]

who is "you"? lol, I've never seen someone refer to a university as "you". :lmao

I was not referring to UT, I was referring to DeLoss Dodds, the UT athletic director.

I guess that happens when you assume.

[Runner-In-Austin]

UT ain't goin' no where! They have it too good here. The conference has it's up and downs, but it's pretty much just UT and OU dominating. Therefore they get the most tv time and the most money. This is why they are so dominate; because they only have to really compete 2-3 times a year. the rest is just beat downs of other teams on national tv equaling mo' money, mo' money, mo' money!

The talk up here on the local radio talk show was about the top half of the big XII, MWC, and PAC 10 forming a super conference. Basically what all of this talk comes down to... is there is going to changes in the college conference landscape in the next 3-5 years.

[Blake]

I'm betting sooner or later we see 4 or 5 superconferences with 16-20 teams each.

[DMX7]

It's a shame because I actually like the Pac-10. It's strong academically across the board and the athletic programs are balanced (i.e., not just good at one or two sports). Also, it has a nice geographical symmetry to it. And since it has L.A., a fucking awesome place to live and hang out, I like it even more. But seems as though it will be a victim of expansion... probably overexpansion.

[mookie2001]

This is the kind of topic non sports fans talk about


It's not happening anytime soon

Book it

hear me now and believe me later

listen to me now and hear me later



Chumpdumper is posting in this thread, what does that tell you?

Have fun making your cute fantasy conferences. It's not happeningFor truth and funny


For
Blake



Nobody beats me cuz I'm tha wiz

[andyrunner06]

So here’s a case for UTSA joining the Big XII, PAC 10, Mountain West, or Conference USA in 2015.

http://www.kens5.com/sports/Brian-New-web-special-96523304.html

[lebomb]

So here’s a case for UTSA joining the Big XII, PAC 10, Mountain West, or Conference USA in 2015.

http://www.kens5.com/sports/Brian-New-web-special-96523304.html


Nice :hat Man I cant wait!!!

[Blake]

For truth and funny


For
Blake



Nobody beats me cuz I'm tha wiz

as usual I have no clue what you are saying.