Face it Kings fans!

[Hungry farmer]

You may have a good team this year but, you won't get past the Lakers we are going to win it all , and Kobe will break all of MJ's NBA records

I just don't see how you can get past us if you happen to face us in the playoffs. Do you? Give me one good reason why the Kings can get past the Lakers...........

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[Big Worm]

Dam patna I had no idea King fans would run from a legit topic like this.
The lakers are good but the Kings are hungry and have a new outlook, I think the lakers rely to much on Kobe. The Kings will win playing team ball and not having to wait for thier star player to produce.

Kings have a good shot this year no matter how many of thier band wagon fans like the one above may not think so.
The question is can they get past the Mavs?
patna!

[kingsfan]

First of all they won't meet in the PO's, neither team is good enough for that higher seed. Lakers suck!!!! You can't win with only one player (T'pups, Cavs) and the rest of the team are scrubs! Kobe can't win without Shaq anyway.
We're not running from this topic, most of us haven't seen it yet.

[Steve Perry]

How can you say they won't make the palyoffs?

A Your one smart vato and you should be in Vegas
B Your just talking out your ass.

I won't say which one I pick this is not a forum to run smack. But I will bet you 500.00 cash your wrong.

[TheSanityAnnex]

You may have a good team this year but, you won't get past the Lakers we are going to win it all , and Kobe will break all of MJ's NBA records

I just don't see how you can get past us if you happen to face us in the playoffs. Do you? Give me one good reason why the Kings can get past the Lakers...........
Credibility gone with the bolded part. But I'm assuming that was a joke anyways so I'll continue on.

The Kings and Lakers will not meet in the playoffs because of seedings. Only way this happens is if both teams make the second round, and I don't see that happening.


The Lakers have Kobe Bryant. That is all.
The Kings have something to prove and have always been a team first type team. They share the ball and look to help eachother out. The Kings are far deeper than the Lakers.

[shaggy17]

I actually see the Lakers having a great chance of being a top 5 team in the west.They made some solid moves this summer in drafting Farmer and signing Vlad plus with Kwame and Lamar continuing to improve along with Kobes amazing play this is a 50+ win team this season. I also forgot how Ronny Turiaf will be at camp in great shape and Bynum should share time with Mihm at the backup 5 slot. Most of the team is back with solid upgrades and a full year of the triangle under their belts. The Lakers are within 1-2 years from being serious title contenders.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I actually see the Lakers having a great chance of being a top 5 team in the west.They made some solid moves this summer in drafting Farmer and signing Vlad plus with Kwame and Lamar continuing to improve along with Kobes amazing play this is a 50+ win team this season. I also forgot how Ronny Turiaf will be at camp in great shape and Bynum should share time with Mihm at the backup 5 slot. Most of the team is back with solid upgrades and a full year of the triangle under their belts. The Lakers are within 1-2 years from being serious title contenders.
Farmar is no where near NBA ready. That means Sasha or Parker at PG. They both suck.
Lamar is a talent, but does not seem to fit in this offense, or he just doesn't get it, I'm not sure.
Kwame's mini hands will always be his downfall regardless of his improvements in other aspects of the game. The guy couldn't palm a marble.
Vlad is as soft as they come.
Bynum will be a stud, but needs a few more years of development.
Mihm is average.
Kobe is Kobe. He'll get his, but will not include his teammates. Or will he pull another game 7 and get his teammates theirs, but not contribute himself to prove a point. Kobe is a piece of shit.
I see this Laker team possibly getting the 7th or 8th seed. An injury to Kobe though and they are dead fucking last. Their is no depth on their team.

[shaggy17]

Farmar is no where near NBA ready. That means Sasha or Parker at PG. They both suck.
Lamar is a talent, but does not seem to fit in this offense, or he just doesn't get it, I'm not sure.
Kwame's mini hands will always be his downfall regardless of his improvements in other aspects of the game. The guy couldn't palm a marble.
Vlad is as soft as they come.
Bynum will be a stud, but needs a few more years of development.
Mihm is average.
Kobe is Kobe. He'll get his, but will not include his teammates. Or will he pull another game 7 and get his teammates theirs, but not contribute himself to prove a point. Kobe is a piece of shit.
I see this Laker team possibly getting the 7th or 8th seed. An injury to Kobe though and they are dead fucking last. Their is no depth on their team.

:lol @ Kobe is a piece of shit. He led them to the playoffs in their 2nd year of the post shaq era and nearly to round 2 but they fell apart blowing that 3-1 lead. He is a legendary Superstar player who has some amazing years ahead of him. Odom fit just fine late last year as did Kwame. Both found their roles quite well and I dont see how that changes. Vlad spreads out the floor with his shooting and is another matchup problem. They will be a much more complete team then a year ago especially under Phil Jackson. No depth??Evans/Turiaf/Bynum/Mihm arent exactly crap. Solid players who will contribute off the bench. If Farmer adjusted to the triangle add him to that list this year unless he gets the starting job. I take it the Kings will finish with a better record then the Lakers :drunk :drunk

[dirk4mvp.]

Nice forum guys!

I do have one question why the hell did you all get rid of white Chocolate?

[TheSanityAnnex]

:lol @ Kobe is a piece of shit. He led them to the playoffs in their 2nd year of the post shaq era and nearly to round 2 but they fell apart blowing that 3-1 lead. He is a legendary Superstar player who has some amazing years ahead of him. The piece of shit comment stems more for his off court Colorado boink the white girl behavior. But lets talk basketball piece of shit. Lets look at game 7 of last years series. Do you remember what he did? Let me refresh you. Kobe Bryant, a superstar, took 1 shot during the second half. One fucking shot. Why? To prove to his teammates they could not win without him. His ego cost them the game. For that, he is a piece of shit. Who lets their ego get in the way of a game 7 in the playoffs?

I take it the Kings will finish with a better record then the Lakers :drunk :drunk
On paper the Kings look much more solid than the Lakers, but we know paper teams don't win everything.


Miller is better than Mihm
SAR/Thomas are better Kwame/Radmonivic
Artest is better Odom
Kobe is much than Martin
Bibby is much better Sasha/Parker
Kings bench is slightly better than Lakers bench.
Garcia, Douby, Salmons, Thomas, Woods >>> Farmar, Bynum, Cook, Turiaf, Walton

[TheSanityAnnex]

Nice forum guys!

I do have one question why the hell did you all get rid of white Chocolate?
I loved watching Jason Williams play and am happy that he got a ring. He was and still is one of my favorite players. But overall, Bibby is better than Williams.

[shaggy17]

The piece of shit comment stems more for his off court Colorado boink the white girl behavior. But lets talk basketball piece of shit. Lets look at game 7 of last years series. Do you remember what he did? Let me refresh you. Kobe Bryant, a superstar, took 1 shot during the second half. One fucking shot. Why? To prove to his teammates they could not win without him. His ego cost them the game. For that, he is a piece of shit. Who lets their ego get in the way of a game 7 in the playoffs?


On paper the Kings look much more solid than the Lakers, but we know paper teams don't win everything.


Miller is better than Mihm
SAR/Thomas are better Kwame/Radmonivic
Artest is better Odom
Kobe is much than Martin
Bibby is much better Sasha/Parker
Kings bench is slightly better than Lakers bench.
Garcia, Douby, Salmons, Thomas, Woods >>> Farmar, Bynum, Cook, Turiaf, Walton


Please dont act like Kobe is the only person to ever do anything messed up off the field. I look at game 7 last year and see a team who had no confidence or hope of winning especially after they lost game 6. What about game 7 that was in arco back in 2002?? :spin Was his ego in the way of that game especially after the way you gave him food poisioning before game 2. :rolleyes Talk about low

[TheSanityAnnex]

Please dont act like Kobe is the only person to ever do anything messed up off the field. I look at game 7 last year and see a team who had no confidence or hope of winning especially after they lost game 6. What about game 7 that was in arco back in 2002?? :spin Was his ego in the way of that game especially after the way you gave him food poisioning before game 2. :rolleyes Talk about low


We are talking about Kobe, not some other players so don't bring up this shit about "don't act like Kobe is the only person to do something messed up off the field." It's not relevant to our discussion.

Have you ever seen a person quit on their team like that? I never have. It was amazing to watch.

And by the way, Hyattburgers aren't that bad.
:lol




Also, I noticed the only thing you responded to were my takes on Kobe. So does that mean you are in agreement with the rest of my Kings/Lakers assesment?

[Hooters Girl]

I loved watching Jason Williams play and am happy that he got a ring. He was and still is one of my favorite players. But overall, Bibby is better than Williams.


How did he get that nick name?

[RON ARTEST]

lol at laker fans always saying we are obsessed about the lakers and always talk about them but this whole season we havent even mentioned the damn team and as soon as we get our own forum here they come with thier pathetic smack talk. we are a better team then the lakers but not by much, if we bring back bonzi then i can say with confidence that we are a much better team than the lakers.

[BeerIsGood!]

How did he get that nick name?
People called him "White Chocolate" because he played the extremely flashy type of ball that is usually seen in streetball or Rucker Park and not college or NBA ball. He threw all of the behind the back passes and made a lot of turnovers as well. I guess it's also a reference to him playing like a black guy and not a white guy. Not very PC, but that's what it meant.

[dirk4mvp]

I loved watching Jason Williams play and am happy that he got a ring. He was and still is one of my favorite players. But overall, Bibby is better than Williams.


For the record, that wasn't me. And I'm not really a fan on J-Will. Watching his ass every night living in Memphis jacking 3's up during transition made me sick. That only works for the Suns. :lol

But the Kings will be good. :tu

[trueD]

Kings will be a new team, with some proven vets in Artest, Bibby & Miller (okay so Miller is the shit under the basket, but he can run pick & rolls and shoot like mad from 15-18 feet) and Martin, Douby, Garcia as guard arsenol brings lots of young blood to the table: All are atheletic and fearless and Douby can run the point.

Now lets talk about team leaders. Bibby professes to be ours, but everyone nows it's really Artest. Ron has taken it upon himself to hang & bang at practice with these guys, no one is beneath him. He became the GLUE for our team last year, not only because of his court play but also his charisma and awareness of other beings in the universe. wink wink... Does anyone on Lakers squad have the heart of Artest? We win in that department too, because Kobe is no leader. Just look at the rest of the team, all timid wondering what he wants or what he will do next. Shame.

The Lakers have no legit PG, Mihm is injury prone and Bynum just may be a bust. Sure he put a hand on Shaq last year but only because Shaq let him. :lol He reportedly is working hard on moves, FT's, etc but height can only do so much, the player is still growing and needs more playing time to fuck up royally and learn. Hopefully Phil goes with that, but don't hold yer breath!

Without a legit PG and some REAL backup on the bench, Kings are jamming ahead of Lakers.

Is Rad really a PF? Because that player can't get to the line which tells me he has no inside game, but I could be wrong.

Don't look for any teammate of Kobe's to get off the ground professionally, kinda like the AI thing in Philly. These super-talented players just don't seem to have the persona to take a team to the next level. They are so wrapped up in doing everything by themselves there is no room for trust. Kobe's situation is even worse than AI's because he has access to some intelligence in Phil. If Phil can't get to him then no one can.

[shaggy17]

The piece of shit comment stems more for his off court Colorado boink the white girl behavior. But lets talk basketball piece of shit. Lets look at game 7 of last years series. Do you remember what he did? Let me refresh you. Kobe Bryant, a superstar, took 1 shot during the second half. One fucking shot. Why? To prove to his teammates they could not win without him. His ego cost them the game. For that, he is a piece of shit. Who lets their ego get in the way of a game 7 in the playoffs?


On paper the Kings look much more solid than the Lakers, but we know paper teams don't win everything.


Miller is better than Mihm
SAR/Thomas are better Kwame/Radmonivic
Artest is better Odom
Kobe is much than Martin
Bibby is much better Sasha/Parker
Kings bench is slightly better than Lakers bench.
Garcia, Douby, Salmons, Thomas, Woods >>> Farmar, Bynum, Cook, Turiaf, Walton


You are talking individual talent not TEAMS. In terms of team Lakers>Kings but if you want to compare individual talent I would agree with that. Lakers have a great head coach and a great superstar while the Kings dont have either(They have a decent coach and an allstar in Ron). Maybe if you food poision Kobe again you guys might be ahead of them. I know you hate Kobe so much because that food poision didnt hold him down for long in 2002 and that year is still getting to you.

[Smackie Chan]

Kings will be a new team, with some proven vets in Artest, Bibby & Miller (okay so Miller is the shit under the basket, but he can run pick & rolls and shoot like mad from 15-18 feet) and Martin, Douby, Garcia as guard arsenol brings lots of young blood to the table: All are atheletic and fearless and Douby can run the point.

Now lets talk about team leaders. Bibby professes to be ours, but everyone nows it's really Artest. Ron has taken it upon himself to hang & bang at practice with these guys, no one is beneath him. He became the GLUE for our team last year, not only because of his court play but also his charisma and awareness of other beings in the universe. wink wink... Does anyone on Lakers squad have the heart of Artest? We win in that department too, because Kobe is no leader. Just look at the rest of the team, all timid wondering what he wants or what he will do next. Shame.

The Lakers have no legit PG, Mihm is injury prone and Bynum just may be a bust. Sure he put a hand on Shaq last year but only because Shaq let him. :lol He reportedly is working hard on moves, FT's, etc but height can only do so much, the player is still growing and needs more playing time to fuck up royally and learn. Hopefully Phil goes with that, but don't hold yer breath!

Without a legit PG and some REAL backup on the bench, Kings are jamming ahead of Lakers.

Is Rad really a PF? Because that player can't get to the line which tells me he has no inside game, but I could be wrong.

Don't look for any teammate of Kobe's to get off the ground professionally, kinda like the AI thing in Philly. These super-talented players just don't seem to have the persona to take a team to the next level. They are so wrapped up in doing everything by themselves there is no room for trust. Kobe's situation is even worse than AI's because he has access to some intelligence in Phil. If Phil can't get to him then no one can.


This may be the longest post in this forum
are you a writer? nice job!

[TheSanityAnnex]

You are talking individual talent not TEAMS. Since when does Kobe play with his team?

Kings have always played team ball.

Your comment makes me :lol

[I am Tom]

I don't know who TSA is but has a point.

[shaggy17]

Since when does Kobe play with his team?

Kings have always played team ball.

Your comment makes me :lol


If that is so true how come the kings could never beat their big brothers in a 7 game series. Kobe has 3 rings (yes Shaq and the role players also were huge but Kobe was just as big) and they made the playoffs in a tough conference. They nearly did it a year ago despite no system to learn from and their first year out of the post shaq era along with injuries so he obviously had to play some kind of team ball to get in those situations.

[ShoogarBear]

We will know this Kings forum has arrived when the non-mouse-troll Laker fans start infiltrating to talk shit.

[TheSanityAnnex]

If that is so true how come the kings could never beat their big brothers in a 7 game series.Are you speaking of one of the most terribly officiated series in sports history?

Kobe has 3 rings (yes Shaq and the role players also were huge but Kobe was just as big) and they made the playoffs in a tough conference. They nearly did it a year ago despite no system to learn from and their first year out of the post shaq era along with injuries so he obviously had to play some kind of team ball to get in those situations.You seem to ignore the fact that he completely gave up in the second half of game 7. What kind of team player does that?

Do team players score 81 points? Do team players run the best big man the league has ever seen out of town? Does a team player happen to be the only star player in the league that had zero assists last year when it came down to last second game winning situations?

Arguing that Kobe is a team player is borderline retarded. You are starting to sound like you might be a potential client for my line of work.

[shaggy17]

Are you speaking of one of the most terribly officiated series in sports history?

You seem to ignore the fact that he completely gave up in the second half of game 7. What kind of team player does that?

Do team players score 81 points? Do team players run the best big man the league has ever seen out of town? Does a team player happen to be the only star player in the league that had zero assists last year when it came down to last second game winning situations?

Arguing that Kobe is a team player is borderline retarded. You are starting to sound like you might be a potential client for my line of work.


:lol :lol Yes that series where sadly you had to food poison Kobe Bryant in a cowardly way to try to win that series. That series had horrible refs on both sides of the ball. Divac's tipp out to Horry,Kings missing like 17 free throws in game 7 at Arco and the Lakers having the mental edge are bigger reasons why you lost that series. Karma is a bitch when you try to take out the other teams star player. Only people who just hate Kobe with a passion would say that he is the sole reason why Shaq left town but Shaq cant get any blame either?? Shaq is an attention whore as is Kobe and it created bad turmoil that only got worse as the years went on. Shaq left orlando and left LA due to his big ego so it is not all on Kobe. Both were very selfish and hell you can add Phil Jackson into that list of blame as well. Kobe has passed the ball to other players in the clutch (Robert Horry a few times,Ron Harper etc etc). Kobe has a habit of making things harder for himself but he is a guy who learns from his mistakes and drives himself to be better in areas he is weak at. He hasnt fully trusted his teamates (part of the process this team is going through that will improve) and at the same time at least he isnt scared to take the last shot of a ball game so it goes hand in hand. Like I said it is typical for you to hate the guy because he played a major role in fucking up your title hopes during the Chris Webber era and it still gets to you. It pisses you off that he managed to overcome that food poisoning in 2002. Also the 81 point game speaks for itself. They were down 18 and the team was playing like shit so Kobe just took over and they won the game. Also in game 7 of last year it wasnt Kobe who just gave up but it was the entire team as well. Their spirits were shot before the game even started.

[Jay Z]

You may have a good team this year but, you won't get past the Lakers we are going to win it all , and Kobe will break all of MJ's NBA records

I just don't see how you can get past us if you happen to face us in the playoffs. Do you? Give me one good reason why the Kings can get past the Lakers...........

We don't believe you, you need more people!

[TheSanityAnnex]

Shaggy,

Lets talk more about this when you get Kobe's shaft out of your mouth.

[shaggy17]

Resorting to insults like that means I won this debate! :) :) :elephant

[TheSanityAnnex]

If you won the debate...


that means Kobe is a team player. :lol

[DirkAB]

Resorting to insults like that means I won this debate! :) :) :elephant


You can't win any debate that Kobe Bryant is a good team player. You are acting like you have some little man-crush on Kobe, hope you realize what you sound like. If Kobe plays good team ball this season it will be the first time, he's never proven that he's been able to play unselfish basketball for more than a few games at a time.

[shaggy17]

You can't win any debate that Kobe Bryant is a good team player. You are acting like you have some little man-crush on Kobe, hope you realize what you sound like. If Kobe plays good team ball this season it will be the first time, he's never proven that he's been able to play unselfish basketball for more than a few games at a time.

Lakers would not of won any of those 3 titles let alone beat the Kings in 00,01,02 if Kobe was playing 1 on 1 basketball.

[shaggy17]

If you won the debate...


that means Kobe is a team player. :lol

I am sure it still bothers you guys that trying to make Kobe sick in 2002 wasnt enough to break him or the Lakers for that matter.

[mavs>spurs]

Shaggy, please quit talking out of your ass. When you get a little older and learn something about basketball, feel free to come have a grown up debate.

[Jay Z]

Resorting to insults like that means I won this debate! :) :) :elephant


We don't believe you, you need more people!

[shaggy17]

Shaggy, please quit talking out of your ass. When you get a little older and learn something about basketball, feel free to come have a grown up debate.

:blah :lol Dont accuse me of something that you do enough of. But you are correct there is something I have yet to learn to feel about basketball. I never learned about how it felt to lose in the NBA Finals. I did, however, learn about how it felt to win the NBA Finals. I also take it that you didnt watch the 2002 WCF and if you think that intentionally getting Kobe sick off of poisoned food to help your chances of winning is reasonable, then you ought to be the LAST person to speak to me about a grown up debate.

[Fillmoe]

:blah :lol Dont accuse me of something that you do enough of. But you are correct there is something I have yet to learn to feel about basketball. I never learned about how it felt to lose in the NBA Finals. I did, however, learn about how it felt to win the NBA Finals. I also take it that you didnt watch the 2002 WCF and if you think that intentionally getting Kobe sick off of poisoned food to help your chances of winning is reasonable, then you ought to be the LAST person to speak to me about a grown up debate.


LOL! you still stuck in 2002? and you act like the kings franchise paid someone off to intentionally poison kobe bryant.... get the fuck outta here with that bullshit....

[trueD]

:blah :lol Dont accuse me of something that you do enough of. But you are correct there is something I have yet to learn to feel about basketball. I never learned about how it felt to lose in the NBA Finals. I did, however, learn about how it felt to win the NBA Finals. I also take it that you didnt watch the 2002 WCF and if you think that intentionally getting Kobe sick off of poisoned food to help your chances of winning is reasonable, then you ought to be the LAST person to speak to me about a grown up debate.Somehow Kobe's flulike symptoms in the 2002 WCF have you suspecting cheeseburger poisoning, and that just chaps your ass and you feel a need to defend your puney-ass opinion. Three times.

Newsflash, your whining about Kobe being ill is lost in the face of the Lakers victory, so shut up already. Or get a link.

Thank you.

[shaggy17]

LOL! you still stuck in 2002? and you act like the kings franchise paid someone off to intentionally poison kobe bryant.... get the fuck outta here with that bullshit....

:blah :lol man this is so much fun. Who knows if the Kings franchise was involved or not. They still think they should of won it all in 2002 :drunk :drunk. Also spare me the bullshit talk. Saying Kobe has always been a ball hogger is just hater talk. His 3 rings that he has I am sure had to require team play to earn those titles. The fact that he gets all the blame for the Lakers breakup is also retarded.

[shaggy17]

Somehow Kobe's flulike symptoms in the 2002 WCF have you suspecting cheeseburger poisoning, and that just chaps your ass and you feel a need to defend your puney-ass opinion. Three times.

Newsflash, your whining about Kobe being ill is lost in the face of the Lakers victory, so shut up already. Or get a link.

Thank you.

:lol Saying the refs prevented the Kings from winning that series is pretty funny as well. Also Kobe gets called a ball hogger/not a team player etc etc and I am reverting to situations where he was anything but that. Some of those situations happened to be against the Kings.

[Star Player]

If you won the debate...


that means Kobe is a team player. :lol


I'm a team player also.
All this Kobe and Kings talk really means nothing when you lose to the Bulls at the end.

[RON ARTEST]

:blah :lol Dont accuse me of something that you do enough of. But you are correct there is something I have yet to learn to feel about basketball. I never learned about how it felt to lose in the NBA Finals. I did, however, learn about how it felt to win the NBA Finals. I also take it that you didnt watch the 2002 WCF and if you think that intentionally getting Kobe sick off of poisoned food to help your chances of winning is reasonable, then you ought to be the LAST person to speak to me about a grown up debate.
are you a laker fan? if so then yo should know how if feels to lose in the finals, 2004 ring a bell?

[RON ARTEST]

:blah :lol man this is so much fun. Who knows if the Kings franchise was involved or not. They still think they should of won it all in 2002 :drunk :drunk. Also spare me the bullshit talk. Saying Kobe has always been a ball hogger is just hater talk. His 3 rings that he has I am sure had to require team play to earn those titles. The fact that he gets all the blame for the Lakers breakup is also retarded.
you spelled retarted wrong. :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

you spelled retarted wrong. :lol
:lol
he edited it!


Shaggy, all you seem to bring up to support your weak ass opinion is that Kobe got food poisoned on purpose. Sound weak? Thought so.

All this talk about Kobe being a team player and you've yet to bring anything to the table that backs your claim. Would you like me to pull up the stats from 82games.com that break down clutch situations? Would you like me to highlight the part that shows that out of all star players, Kobe is the only one who has ZERO assists in the clutch? And by the way, for those who think Kobe is "clutch", his percentages show otherwise. 7/32 ain't clutch.

[trueD]

:lol Saying the refs prevented the Kings from winning that series is pretty funny as well. Also Kobe gets called a ball hogger/not a team player etc etc and I am reverting to situations where he was anything but that. Some of those situations happened to be against the Kings.

Did I say the refs prevented Kings from winning that series or call Kobe a ballhogger?

Do I care that there are situations that Kobe doesn't hog the ball? And btw, what are those situations?

Don't bring this weakass response to my post again.

Try this: Just ignore posts you don't agree with if you can't/won't take a position to argue the content of the post.

What a dork.

[shaggy17]

Did I say the refs prevented Kings from winning that series or call Kobe a ballhogger?

Do I care that there are situations that Kobe doesn't hog the ball? And btw, what are those situations?

Don't bring this weakass response to my post again.

Try this: Just ignore posts you don't agree with if you can't/won't take a position to argue the content of the post.

What a dork.

:lmao :lmao I love the name calling. That "weakass" response is the whole reason why this debate has continued. Also you said that you dont care about Kobe not ball hogging but still asked me for examples which means you just contradicted yourself :lol.

[shaggy17]

:lol
he edited it!


Shaggy, all you seem to bring up to support your weak ass opinion is that Kobe got food poisoned on purpose. Sound weak? Thought so.

All this talk about Kobe being a team player and you've yet to bring anything to the table that backs your claim. Would you like me to pull up the stats from 82games.com that break down clutch situations? Would you like me to highlight the part that shows that out of all star players, Kobe is the only one who has ZERO assists in the clutch? And by the way, for those who think Kobe is "clutch", his percentages show otherwise. 7/32 ain't clutch.

I have brought up enough proof that hes a damn team player but it seems that you dont read everything I said. Here are some examples I can think of on the top of my head:

1.)2000 WCF Game 3 vs Portland Kobe dishes out to Ron Harper who is wide open on the baseline

2.)2001 NBA Finals game 3: Kobe gets doubled and dishes it out to Horry for the 3 to give the Lakers a 4 point lead and the victory.

3.)2002 round 1 game 3 vs portland. Kobe gets doubled and dishes it out to horry once again to hit the game winner.

I have said Kobe hasnt fully trusted these teamates which is something that he has to work on still. He has never had this role until Shaq was dealt and he is still learning as a leader.

[BUMP]

Shaggy, please quit talking out of your ass. When you get a little older and learn something about basketball, feel free to come have a grown up debate.

actually i agree with Shaggy. you guys act like just because Kobe is the leading scorer on this team means he cant play team ball. they need a go to guy. what is he supposed to do? give it to Smush Parker? :lol

Kobe is amazing. he will always find the open guy when doubled. he played team ball when they won 3 championships. early in his career he wasnt a team player. but he has obviously grown up and i would take him on my team anyday

[mavs>spurs]

It's hard not to be somewhat of a team player when shaq is going to demand the ball often. But in the end, Kobe's selfish tendencies are the reason Shaq was run out of L.A. and the reason why the Lakers dynasty was ended. When a guy quits on his team like Kobe did in this year's playoffs, you have to be a complete dumbass to call him a team player. What Kobe did was the ultimate display of disrespect to his teammates, coach, organization, and fans. Shaggy you can argue all day long, but you will never convince anyone that Kobe is a team player, especially after this year's playoffs. Everyone here is laughing at you, Kobe is the complete opposite of a team player.

[shaggy17]

actually i agree with Shaggy. you guys act like just because Kobe is the leading scorer on this team means he cant play team ball. they need a go to guy. what is he supposed to do? give it to Smush Parker? :lol

Kobe is amazing. he will always find the open guy when doubled. he played team ball when they won 3 championships. early in his career he wasnt a team player. but he has obviously grown up and i would take him on my team anyday
:tu

[trueD]

:lmao :lmao I love the name calling. That "weakass" response is the whole reason why this debate has continued. There is no debate, was my whole point. Because .... Also you said that you dont care about Kobe not ball hogging but still asked me for examples which means you just contradicted yourself :lol....your statement "Kobe gets called a ball hogger/not a team player etc etc and I am reverting to situations where he was anything but that" is fodder. You haven't actually described situations wherein he wasn't hogging the ball. Get it? That's why I asked for an example.

Try to pay attention. I won't be answering you if you bring weakass, unsubstantial rhetoric again to your "debate".

Sincerely,

Yo mamma.

[mavs>spurs]

There is no debate, was my whole point. Because .... ...your statement "Kobe gets called a ball hogger/not a team player etc etc and I am reverting to situations where he was anything but that" is fodder. You haven't actually described situations wherein he wasn't hogging the ball. Get it? That's why I asked for an example.

Try to pay attention. I won't be answering you if you bring weakass, unsubstantial rhetoric again to your "debate".

Sincerely,

Yo mamma.

LMAO!!!! :lmao

[shaggy17]

It's hard not to be somewhat of a team player when shaq is going to demand the ball often. But in the end, Kobe's selfish tendencies are the reason Shaq was run out of L.A. and the reason why the Lakers dynasty was ended. When a guy quits on his team like Kobe did in this year's playoffs, you have to be a complete dumbass to call him a team player. What Kobe did was the ultimate display of disrespect to his teammates, coach, organization, and fans. Shaggy you can argue all day long, but you will never convince anyone that Kobe is a team player, especially after this year's playoffs. Everyone here is laughing at you, Kobe is the complete opposite of a team player.

:blah :blah Wow blaming Kobe for the entire lakers breakup when Shaq himself has a huge ego as well. You have to be :drunk :drunk if you think Shaq deserves zero blame. Shaq gets jealous of players especially his teamates like Kobe and Penny when they are up and coming. look ath ow he made up that crap about Drob etc. If your gonna talk the Lakers breaking up you blame both because both were at fault for it. Tell me what does losing in the finals feel like? I never learned that experience because we have won everytime that we go.

[mavs>spurs]

:blah :blah Wow blaming Kobe for the entire lakers breakup when Shaq himself has a huge ego as well. You have to be :drunk :drunk if you think Shaq deserves zero blame. Shaq gets jealous of players especially his teamates like Kobe and Penny when they are up and coming. look ath ow he made up that crap about Drob etc. If your gonna talk the Lakers breaking up you blame both because both were at fault for it. Tell me what does losing in the finals feel like? I never learned that experience because we have won everytime that we go.

I never stated that shaq wasn't partly to blame, but yes most of the blame IS KOBE'S FAULT. Shaggy, we have all tried to explain to you why Kobe is not a team player, and you have done nothing to further your argument besides the lame "Haha your team lost in the finals" comments. When you decide to bring something intelligent to this conversation p.m. me or something, because this argument sucks.

[trueD]

This may be the longest post in this forum
are you a writer? Nice job!No, mostly just a good, long winded show-off.

Thank you for the compliment, Mr. Chan. xoxo

[trueD]

Oh shit, got in the middle of "the debate" with stroking from a troll. :lol

Sorry guys, carry on...

[TheSanityAnnex]

I have brought up enough proof that hes a damn team player but it seems that you dont read everything I said. Here are some examples I can think of on the top of my head:

1.)2000 WCF Game 3 vs Portland Kobe dishes out to Ron Harper who is wide open on the baseline

2.)2001 NBA Finals game 3: Kobe gets doubled and dishes it out to Horry for the 3 to give the Lakers a 4 point lead and the victory.

3.)2002 round 1 game 3 vs portland. Kobe gets doubled and dishes it out to horry once again to hit the game winner.

I have said Kobe hasnt fully trusted these teamates which is something that he has to work on still. He has never had this role until Shaq was dealt and he is still learning as a leader.Holy Shit!!! 3 assist examples from 4-6 years ago!!! I lose, I lose, I give up, there is no more debate!!! Kobe is not only an adulterer, but he is also a team player!!!

[DirkAB]

Lakers would not of won any of those 3 titles let alone beat the Kings in 00,01,02 if Kobe was playing 1 on 1 basketball.



That is when he was playing second fiddle, do you see Kobe ever defering to anybody else ever again? Even as a second fiddle he was selfish, that is what started the whold rift between him and Shaq, not that Shaq didn't keep it going with his mouth. Shaq has always been a team player, nobody can say otherwise, the fact that Kobe became more and more selfish and one on one oriented was the root of the whole soap opera in L.A.

Anybody that contends that Kobe has been playing great team basketball for the last handful of years is an idiot. Hard to believe that a fan of the Spurs, one of the greatest teams in recent history, especially as far as unselfish play and team chemistry, could sit there and try to paint Kobe Bryant as a team player. That amazes me.

[trueD]

I have brought up enough proof that hes a damn team player but it seems that you dont read everything I said. Here are some examples I can think of on the top of my head:

1.)2000 WCF Game 3 vs Portland Kobe dishes out to Ron Harper who is wide open on the baseline

2.)2001 NBA Finals game 3: Kobe gets doubled and dishes it out to Horry for the 3 to give the Lakers a 4 point lead and the victory.

3.)2002 round 1 game 3 vs portland. Kobe gets doubled and dishes it out to horry once again to hit the game winner.

My bad, didn't see your examples Shaggy.

Lakers should have NEVER let Horry go! :rolleyes

[TheSanityAnnex]

Anybody that contends that Kobe has been playing great team basketball for the last handful of years is an idiot.Which is why Shaggy provided examples of team play from 00-02. :lol

[trueD]

Anybody that contends that Kobe has been playing great team basketball for the last handful of years is an idiot. Hard to believe that a fan of the Spurs, one of the greatest teams in recent history, especially as far as unselfish play and team chemistry, could sit there and try to paint Kobe Bryant as a team player. That amazes me. :clap

Dirk is right, end of debate.

[Jesus]

He who does not want Kobe on his team? cast the first stone!

[TheSanityAnnex]

He who does not want Kobe on his team? cast the first stone!
I take it you're Dad has forgiven his sins?

[mouse]

wow this forum kicks Pistons talks ass big time!

You guys do know Former USA is really a mod from KingsTalk? That's the word on the streets.

The sad truth about the kings I have seen. When they are hot everyone seems to be a fan, Then when they choke? You only see maybe 3 fans. I guess you all have alot more in commin with Spurs fans then you thought after all. :lmao

[Fillmoe]

wow this forum kicks Pistons talks ass big time!


HELL MOTHAFUCKIN YEAH!

[dirk4mvp]

The sad truth about the kings I have seen.When they are hot everyone seems to be a fan, Then when they choke? You only see maybe 3 fans. I guess you all have alot more in commin with Spurs fans then you thought after all.

HELL MOTHAFUCKIN YEAH!

[Fillmoe]

^ says the man who prolly doesnt even know who the 3 J's are...

[dirk4mvp]

^ says the man who prolly doesnt even know who the 3 J's are...

Jason, Jamaal,and I think it's something Jackson?

Pretty damn good considering NBA was the last thing on my mind then.

[TheSanityAnnex]

You guys do know Former USA is really a mod from KingsTalk? :lol

[trueD]

wow this forum kicks Pistons talks ass big time!

You guys do know Former USA is really a mod from KingsTalk? That's the word on the streets.Fire your street talkers, I only just recently began posting at kingstalk. :angel

[NASHville]

I say they are 2-3 yrs out yet.

[kobe_bryant]

i have been asked to talk on my behalf.


i have to fucken read the thread first... i didn't know people from sac could write/type this much

[kobe_bryant]

a lot of you tards have a problem with me. that's fine. but let me tell you few bitches that I didn't get a player like wade to play for me. shaq's bitch ass got a top 3 shooting guard AGAIN on his team and makes the finals. guess what, shaq has always had a top 3 shooting guard on his team to open up HIS game. give me tim duncan and we would make every finals till we both retired.

last year i took the team that had a bunch of asswhips to a game 7. no one expert thought we would make it to the playoffs let alone take a 3-1 lead. we fucked up. next year it won't happen again.

kings > lakers in terms of depth
kobe > anyone on kings

artest cannot stop me. i can limit artest into taking stupid shots or fuck with his head enough so he wants to throw punches at fans again.

if odam can get his dick out of his arse then we beat the kings

[mavs>spurs]

I just realized the Kobe Bryant troll = Shaggy17 :smokin Honestly how dumb can he be?

[TheSanityAnnex]

I just realized the Kobe Bryant troll = Shaggy17 :smokin Honestly how dumb can he be?
I actually requested Kobe himself speak in this thread. I don't think its shaggy.

[shaggy17]

I just realized the Kobe Bryant troll = Shaggy17 :smokin Honestly how dumb can he be?

:drunk :drunk :drunk :drunk :rolleyes

[SpellCheckChic]

Kobe:

asswhips :nope

asswipes :angel

[Fillmoe]

Kobe:

asswhips :nope

asswipes :angel

You ever get skeeted on while taking it from the back?

[ShackO]

:blah :blah Wow blaming Kobe for the entire lakers breakup when Shaq himself has a huge ego as well. You have to be :drunk :drunk if you think Shaq deserves zero blame. Shaq gets jealous of players especially his teamates like Kobe and Penny when they are up and coming. look ath ow he made up that crap about Drob etc. If your gonna talk the Lakers breaking up you blame both because both were at fault for it. Tell me what does losing in the finals feel like? I never learned that experience because we have won everytime that we go.

He also had the team. It was ShaQ's team...... Not kobe's..

Sure he should have some blame but isn't it understandable that he would desire to "keep HIS team".......

It seems to be a matter of what percent of fault goes to each.... I think mostly it is kobe's fault... ALthough I knew all along @ some point he would have to get out on his own side of the road and prove himself.. Nothing wrong with that especially since it ruined the lakers...lol


Good for you.......... Keep in mind.. You personally have not done a damn thing.......... Selecting to follow a great team like the Spurs isn't a hard decision.......

[KFRebel]

:blah :blah Wow blaming Kobe for the entire lakers breakup when Shaq himself has a huge ego as well. You have to be :drunk :drunk if you think Shaq deserves zero blame. Shaq gets jealous of players especially his teamates like Kobe and Penny when they are up and coming. look ath ow he made up that crap about Drob etc. If your gonna talk the Lakers breaking up you blame both because both were at fault for it. Tell me what does losing in the finals feel like? I never learned that experience because we have won everytime that we go.

He also had the team. It was ShaQ's team...... Not kobe's..

Sure he should have some blame but isn't it understandable that he would desire to "keep HIS team".......

It seems to be a matter of what percent of fault goes to each.... I think mostly it is kobe's fault... ALthough I knew all along @ some point he would have to get out on his own side of the road and prove himself.. Nothing wrong with that especially since it ruined the lakers...lol


Good for you.......... Keep in mind.. You personally have not done a damn thing.......... Selecting to follow a great team like the Spurs isn't a hard decision.......

:clap :clap :clap

[NBA Junkie]

... Shaq gets jealous of players especially his teamates like Kobe and Penny when they are up and coming.

How do you explain Dwyane Wade?

Shaq says repeatedly that the Heat are DWade's team. Wade is less of an ego case like Kobe and Penny were.

[BLACKMAMBA24]

We will see what happens this season and in the olympics.Will there be a different outcome with someone who can actually shoot the damn ball?