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Pistons < Spurs
09-07-2006, 12:57 PM
Pick a theory, another theory. We heard plenty during and after the Pistons' playoff collapse last season.

1. The Empty Tank Theory: The starters played too many minutes during the season. Add that to all the intense playoff games their legs and minds were subjected to the previous four seasons and they were burned out.

2. The David Stern Conspiracy Theory: Eager to get the league's young superstars in prime time during the playoffs, Stern and the league's rules makers stole away the Pistons' aggressiveness on defense. The offi cials coddled LeBron James and Dwyane Wade, not allowing the Pistons to bump or breathe upon them. Lacking such a player, the Pistons didn't get the same whistles.

3. The Ugly Blemishes Theory: Opponents exploited the Pistons' weaknesses and they couldn't adjust. They lacked a guard with penetration skills, they didn't have enough depth and their center couldn't make a shot or a free throw.

4. The Big, Bad Ben Theory: Ben Wallace's demand to be a bigger part of the offense caused a rift between him and coach Flip Saunders, wrecking the Pistons' lockerroom chemistry.

5. The Need For 'Sheed Theory: Rasheed Wallace's bum ankle neutralized their best all-around player and placed a heavier burden on the other starters.

There's some truth in all of the above, but, after a summer's worth of reflection, Joe Dumars has come up with an explanation that trumps all others: The Fat-Cat Theory.

The way the team's president of basketball operations sees it, the team just got full of itself. As the regular-season wins piled up, his regulars crossed the line from swagger to cockiness. They felt a sense of entitlement, believing another NBA championship was something they deserved rather than something to be earned.

"I thought we lost our edge," Dumars said. "I thought we stopped being the hunters and we accepted being the hunted and you can't do that. You have to maintain your edge, you have to maintain your hunger and you always have to walk out on the court and have the mentality ÔI've got something to prove here tonight.' "

When did that air of contentment seep in? It didn't happen in one game or one week. But when the accolades started piling up, when four starters got chosen for the All-Star Game, when serious comparisons were being drawn between them and the Bad Boys, they tossed the blue-collar identity in the trash.

"We felt as a group ÔYou know what? We'll get there again. We'll turn it on and get there again,' " Dumars said. "When you do that, you end up losing. Miami had the edge. They were hungrier than us and that's why they won. Simple as that."

Whatever theory you buy into, the Pistons will head into training camp as a humbler unit. Hard to believe, but two-a-days are only 3 1 /2 weeks away, around the same time the Tigers' playoff run is expected to begin and the Lions are expected to be mathematically eliminated from the Central Division race.

Of course, the Pistons will enter the After The 'Fro Era as just another Eastern Conference contender. The Heat will be favored to repeat, at least as conference champs. Division rivals Cleveland, Chicago and Indiana have upgraded their rosters and look like serious threats to pass the Pistons in the pecking order.

That's just fine by Joe.

"The more the guys read about us losing Ben and how we're going to fall off," Dumars said, "the better for me."

Dumars didn't feel the need to take drastic measures after Ben went running to the Bulls and their $60 million offer. He added a veteran journeyman in Nazr Mohammed to fi ll the center spot. He brought in Flip Murray at a bargainbasement rate to improve the bench and the team's ability to get to the basket.

He expects 2005 fi rstrounder Jason Maxiell to start making his mark. He anticipates Saunders will feel more comfortable and freer to institute changes that some of the veterans resisted last season.

Oh, and one other thing. The fats cats will be gone and the hunger will return ... or else.

"That will be my theme for the whole year," Dumars said. "If you don't have an edge with you, this is not the place for you. We have no place here for people who are content, fat and happy. That just won't work for me."

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ShoogarBear
09-07-2006, 04:17 PM
I don't know what you guys think, but I think this is dead on.

Oh, but they could have put theories #1, #3, and #4 under the Flip Can't Coach the Playoffs Theory.

sprrs
09-07-2006, 05:54 PM
I don't know what you guys think, but I think this is dead on.

Oh, but they could have put theories #1, #3, and #4 under the Flip Can't Coach the Playoffs Theory.


Agreed.

ABDENOUR POWER
09-07-2006, 06:27 PM
Pick a theory, another theory. We heard plenty during and after the Pistons' playoff collapse last season.

1. The Empty Tank Theory: The starters played too many minutes during the season. Add that to all the intense playoff games their legs and minds were subjected to the previous four seasons and they were burned out.

2. The David Stern Conspiracy Theory: Eager to get the league's young superstars in prime time during the playoffs, Stern and the league's rules makers stole away the Pistons' aggressiveness on defense. The offi cials coddled LeBron James and Dwyane Wade, not allowing the Pistons to bump or breathe upon them. Lacking such a player, the Pistons didn't get the same whistles.

3. The Ugly Blemishes Theory: Opponents exploited the Pistons' weaknesses and they couldn't adjust. They lacked a guard with penetration skills, they didn't have enough depth and their center couldn't make a shot or a free throw.

4. The Big, Bad Ben Theory: Ben Wallace's demand to be a bigger part of the offense caused a rift between him and coach Flip Saunders, wrecking the Pistons' lockerroom chemistry.

5. The Need For 'Sheed Theory: Rasheed Wallace's bum ankle neutralized their best all-around player and placed a heavier burden on the other starters.

There's some truth in all of the above, but, after a summer's worth of reflection, Joe Dumars has come up with an explanation that trumps all others: The Fat-Cat Theory.

I pick the "all of the above" theory.

NBA Junkie
09-07-2006, 07:05 PM
Theory #6- The lack of depth did this team in.

Frankly, I thought the 2004 team was better than 2006 for this very reason. All the Pistons had for quality depth last season was McDyess. In 2004, they had Mehmet Okur, Mike James, Corliss Williamson and Elden Campbell. Big difference there if you ask me.

And, why the hell should Flip allow Ben Wallace to get more touches offensively? It's not like he's an effective low post scorer. Larry Brown gave Wallace too much freedom offensively in 2005, which in my view wasn't a good thing. It made Wallace believe he was something he really wasn't.

signpost
09-07-2006, 10:05 PM
Joe D is dead on with this one. If fact, this is exactly what I was saying to all of my friends during the frickin' playoffs. It was obvious that McDyess was the only one on the team that was truly hungry for that ring. It takes more than one passionate player to win a championship. It takes an entire team that has something to prove. That is exactly what the Miami Heat were. I still don't think they were as good of a basketball team as the Pistons were, but they sure wanted to win more than the Pistons did.

bdubya
09-08-2006, 01:33 PM
I pick the "all of the above" theory.

Can't do that; #2 is already reserved for the Spurs ;)

Seriously, I don't buy #1 or #2, and don't give much cred to #4. #3, yeah, but part of that was Flip's failure to develop a bench that could bring some different looks from the starters. #5 contributed, but it's no excuse. I think Joe's got it nailed, and it also explained why Miami was able to play such effective defense under the current officiating. Pistons' and Mavs' FG% plummeted against the Heat because the defense just plain had more hustle all around.

Vinnie_Johnson
09-08-2006, 07:41 PM
[QUOTE=bdubya]Can't do that; #2 is already reserved for the Spurs ;)

I thought that was The Mav's :lol

Darrin
09-23-2006, 10:04 AM
Flip Saunders can't coach and the Pistons' players stopped listening to him. Was that the result of ego? Could be. But that's how I size it up.

That's two years wasted when they could've won the title.

jacobdrj
09-23-2006, 07:32 PM
Funny story...
My good friend was watching ESPN classic just before the 2005-2006 NBA season began. My friend was drawn into the NBA with that 04 Pistons team, so he didn't have a whole hell of a lot of experence watching the NBA. Anyways, the game on ESPN C he was watching was a T-Wolves/Lakers game. It was funny, because he had no idea... he watched as the T-Wolves blew a 10 point lead late in the game, without 1 timeout being called... He said to himself "who is that? Who the hell doesn't call a time out in that situation?"...
In disbelief, he saw the TV focus on the coach, who had just called a time out after the lead had been blown... lowe and behold... of course, it was Flip... and my friend... he was like...


oh my god...

Called me up a second later...
Durring the playoffs this year, he watched most of the games with me... and he kept telling me how it was exactly the same as that game he saw on ESPN-C months before...

We, at that time, came to the conclusion, that these Pistons will never win so long as Flip is 'coaching'.

Lp26
09-24-2006, 01:29 PM
Flip Saunders can't coach and the Pistons' players stopped listening to him. Was that the result of ego? Could be. But that's how I size it up.

That's two years wasted when they could've won the title.

Agreed.