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Sam Cassell was an all-star all of 1 time, last year. David Robinson got to play with an all-star too you know, Sean Elliot, Dennis Rodman and Terry mings too.
Everyone mentions that Dave never won a ring without Tim, but I'd say there really can't be any real argument until Tim can win without Dave.
I'd have paid good money to sit in on practices back then where Tim and Dave would go head to head to see who was better.
Sam Cassell was an all-star all of 1 time, last year. David Robinson got to play with an all-star too you know, Sean Elliot, Dennis Rodman and Terry mings too.
Don't forget Moses Malone...
I remember that 3-blocks-in-1 masterpiece...I just don't remember who it was against.
My favorite highlight (and a real measure of the kind of athlete he was on BOTH sides of the court) is one from (I think) his rookie year...he blocks a shot, one of the Spurs guards picks it up and races downcourt on the break...DRob outruns him down the middle, gets the pass from the guard on the fly (literally!) and flushes it home at full speed. His body was damn near horizontal as it swung underneath the rim after the flush.
I'm curious what 2 all star guards did hakeem play with in 94-95, since you mentioned the other guard who would become an all-star.
Sam Cassell...was the one who would become one...
Clyde Drexler would be the one that was one...
Furthermore...if you are looking for an AS guard Drob played with, in an attempt to make a totally unrelated claim that AJ and Vinny were a good enough guard combo to win an NBA le with, when it meant taking out the defneding champions...
Try Dale Ellis.
Yeah I know he wasn't there that year...but since you didn't understand any other part of the point I was trying to make...I figured what the , why try and explain it, let's go with it.
AJ > Magic Johnson
Vinny > MJ
Anything else?
Oh yeah...Duncan could have won an NBA le without Drob, as long as he had AJ.
LeBron is better.
1990: West Conf Semis (4-3): Portland Trail Blazers over San Antonio Spurs
59-23, Finished 2nd in NBA Pacific Division 56-26, Finished 1st in NBA Midwest Division
1991: West Conf 1st Rd (3-1): Golden State Warriors over San Antonio Spurs
44-38, Finished 4th in Pacific Division 55-27, Finished 1st in NBA Midwest Division
1992: West Conf 1st Rd (3-0): Phoenix Suns over San Antonio Spurs
53-29, Finished 3rd in NBA Pacific Division 47-35, Finished 2nd in NBA Midwest Division
1993: West Conf Semis (4-2): Phoenix Suns over San Antonio Spurs
62-20, Finished 1st in NBA Pacific Division 49-33, Finished 2nd in NBA Midwest Division
1994: West Conf 1st Rd (3-1): Utah Jazz over San Antonio Spurs
53-29, Finished 3rd in NBA Midwest Division 55-27, Finished 2nd in NBA Midwest Division
1995: West Conf Finals (4-2): Houston Rockets over San Antonio Spurs
47-35, Finished 3rd in NBA Midwest Division 62-20, Finished 1st in NBA Midwest Division
1996: West Conf Semis (4-2): Utah Jazz over San Antonio Spurs
55-27, Finished 2nd in NBA Midwest Division 59-23, Finished 1st in NBA Midwest Division
You point? That Hakeem took it off in the regular season? That Drob carried teams better? I already knew that.
Tell me...when the Rockets had both AJ and Kenny Smith...which one did they keep? Which one did they boot the out of town?
It would have been nice if Drob had back up PGs coming off the bench and dropping 30 on the Rockets when they tried to double him...unfortunately, Drob didn't even have a starting PG that could score that much, ever, in the regular season, or in the playoffs,...he had the guy that gives up 30 points to back up PG's...
I know, I know, Drob was supposed to guard Cassell...while he was guarding Hakeem. AJ was doing his part...he was being bossy while getting worked the off the court...what AJ did best.
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coachingWhich is why I do not understand why they were not as dominant as a team defensively as they are now. Was their backcourt/swingman defense atrocious compared to today's perimeter D?
Pop stresses from day one that you play defense first, you play HIS defensive system, or you don't play at all...I personally think that is the biggest difference.
DRob, hands down. An athletic freak show, better defender in his prime, and his offensive game was just as complete as Duncan's, except maybe for the crazy ass glass skills.
I pick TD as the better overall player. Would our le chances be greater with an in his prime DRob on todays squad instead of TD? It's debateable, but I don't think so. And visions of Hakeem in '95 still hurt. Even so, it's a tough choice...both are eventual Hall of Famers and #1 and #1a on Spurs Top Player list.
Duncan is twice the player that Robinson was.
D-Rob couldn't play with his back to the basket and couldn't shoot anything outside a midrange jumper. He also couldn't finish to save his life.
Robinson is definitely the better athlete of the two, I will give you that, but dont let sentiment get in your way when making the decision of who is better.
Duncan will be remembered as 1 of the top 10 players of all time. Robinson isn't in the top 25.
How on earth did Robinson manage a scoring le if his offensive game was as limited as you make it sound?
That's a little bit of a stetch. David was the better defender, but for all of this athleticism, his offensive game wasn't as complete as Duncan's. David had no quality back-to-the-basket moves in the post. He dominated with pure athleticism. He wasn't near as fundamentally sound offensively as some of the other top centers.
That's not a knock on him. He dominated by using his talent and athleticism, and there isn't anything wrong with that. But to claim that he was as offensively complete as Duncan is quite a reach.
Ben Wallace > Shaq
Chauncey Billups > Kobe[/Weak ass Playoff logic]
Ben Wallace > Shaq
Chauncey Billups > Kobe[/Weak ass Playoff logic]
you say that like it's not true.
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