Tim Thomas is a dog with fleas. Do not consider him as a potential target - under any cir stances.
It really would, but i'm not sure how able he'd be to defend the primary post players on our primary obstacle. Can he muscle up with Pau or Bynum? Yes he can finish and yes he has a decent shot. He is mobile as well.
Tim Thomas is a dog with fleas. Do not consider him as a potential target - under any cir stances.
Ronnie is too small.
We would need Charlie to defend as well. As versatile as he is on O, can he get a few stops for us? I don't know. But he definetly would cause havoc on the other end. He could get their bigs in foul trouble as long as he doesn't hang around the arc twenty four seven. That would be a hard trade to pull off though.
Wilcox is looking for the money, but if he leaves next year so what. Buy then maybe Ian will be ready.
He may give up some ground but his length can at least bother the shots of either of those two. KT, (who is the only big that gives Duncan any help on defense) gives the effort but is just too slow and winds up fouling guys like Gasol when he can't stay in front of them. Moore my get backed down a bit but he stays in plays because of wingspan and mobility.
He LIVES behind the arc and has no semblance of a game in the post. Terrible for a guy his size.
EDIT: But that's just how D'Antoni likes 'em.
All of this is true. I of course would prefer the ideal front court player but if it comes to it, settling is what we may have to do. As a result of settling you get an imperfect fit to your needs. But, an upgrade is preferred if nothing else.
Yeah. I'm not saying Moore would necessarily be a gem of a move if this were the offseason, but given our needs and the limited options out there I think this would be one of the better, more REALISTIC moves that Texas 2 Step mentioned could be made.
"Shoot for the moon and land in the stars"
He should be ahead of the curve, since he's trained so much with the Spurs, and the Toros run alot of Spurs play, IIRC p said that a couple times.
Am I the only one who finds it curious that someone who's season is over was running 2-2 drills? I'll be sure to quote myself if Pop plays him 5 or less games after the trade deadline.
EDIT: And Wilcox would be my pick for the FO to target. Who's team is he on, at what's his contract?
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Wilcox helps offensively, since he runs the floor very well, and finishes very well at the rim..but defensively and on the boards? not so much..
he's an expiring contract getting paid 6.75 mil this season from OKC..it's possible since we have a relationship with Presti, but it's a nice asset for them..
Thanks holmes!!!
I think he could instantly get decent minutes, and that Pop could improve his D mindset if the Spurs somehow traded for him, but I can't think of a trade they'd like... are they weak at any position, or are they just young at all of them(thus they might want to just keep all the players so they could all mature together)?
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...2&postcount=34
That was my suggestion...
It's starting to look more and more practical from my POV. The Spurs could offer Dynamo Moscow up to 500K US$ as a buyout, to get Javtokas released before the end of their season, without it counting towards the salary cap. Dynamo apparently need the money.
http://majorleaguejerk.com/2008/12/1...jannero-pargo/
andJannero Pargo (?) - Pargo’s Russian team is reportedly having a very difficult time making payroll right now;
http://dimemag.com/2009/01/jannero-pargo-to-olympiakos/
Jannero Pargo was playing for Dynamo Moscow...He left because they couldn't pay him...I wonder if Javtokas is getting paid these days? I don't know how much money Javtokas would want at this point, but the LLE would have to look pretty good (4.2 Million for the remainder of this season and the next, if we set up the contract right); , even the vet min might be enough.apparently the government has decided to withdraw funding that was assigned to the clubs. Dynamo Moscow, one of the most affected teams, has seen Arriel McDonald, Darjus Lavrinovic, Hollis Price and now Pargo leave.
He's big (a real 7 footer), he's strong, and he'd be the most athletic big on the roster; possibly even more of an athlete than a healthy Mahinmi. Remember, he used to be able to dunk on a 12ft rim...
I agree...
as for now, he's the best available option and gives just what we need on the front line.
A big body, capable of rebounding, block shots and run the floor...like an EWlson type.
You just have to hope that, in case, he misses less rotations than Elson did...
IOne thing for sure is that his body is stronger!
In the Dinamo Moskow situation is that bad, that would be an ideal situation for them too...they don't have to pay their player and they receive also 500,00 cash...
By the way : this is one of the limited (and weird) situations where a buy-out of 500,00 could effectively work...
i doubt holt will be spending anything atm
doesnt he own caterpillar heavy machinery vehicles?
i was watching the news they are laying off 20000 staff worldwide...
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he's something like the grandson of the Caterpillar founder, but he doesn't own caterpillar inc.
he is the CEO of HOLT CAT, the largest Caterpillar dealership in the states.
(but of course he also will be affected by the worldwide crisis)
Terrible news for the guy. I really want things to work out for him.
I don't think the sky is falling in terms of signing a big man though.
This is not true at all. How many times this have to be explained? They were offered big buyout of cash by Olympiacos and Pargo wanted in a Euroleague club. It was nothing to do with not being able to pay him. NOTHING they were even AHEAD of schedule in making his payments as reported by Stein of ESPN.
Their is no way Spurs can get Javtokas for a small 500,000 us dollars. Olympiacos was paying like 3 million euros to get Pargo from them.
But yes Spurs should get Javtokas this summer. i do not understand why they have no interest in him. he is big and very strong. He is excellent finisher, good defense, good at protect paint and rim, good shot blocker, solid in rebounding. He is athletic freak of nature even by NBA level.
His offense is even OK. Efficient player and he is not so bad in offense and shooting. He is let us say certainly better offensive player than Oberto I think. He is having excellent season this year. This guy is not going to be anything special or great in NBA but he is for sure better than Spurs crap centers of Bonner, Thomas, Oberto.
Spurs should get javtokas but do not believe all this crap about Dynamo financial issues. GM of team even showed where every player gets all his money on time and will for whole year and all the players said this was true. Pargo has said it was just made up by US press.
But yes Javtokas could help Spurs.
I've checked into this, and just to be clear, Pargo has received payments, they were just routinely late--months late at some points. I'm not sure if that's the case with Javtokas. I imagine that it is. I'm not sure how the Russian league is set up--there is not a handy English language Russian League CBA FAQ on the net. But one would imagine that any Dynamo player could legally seek to have their contract voided after so many missed payments. The problem with Javtokas--the reason I'd be surprised to see the Spurs go that direction--is that he doesn't know the Spurs system and he's never played in the NBA. To bring someone like that in midseason...
Too bad that Mahinmi is out for the season. Although hope was waning, it would have been nice to see what he could do at some point this season. It was a long shot that he'd be able to help much but it would have been great if he could step in and provide the shotblocking and athleticism the Spurs are lacking.
Now Mahinmi just needs to keep working on his body and concentrate on adding weight. He's still skinny, especially in his legs. Hit the weights until summer league and then hopefully have a better summer league showing this year than last year.
This is one of the weirder rants I have seen. I don't think many people were against the idea of adding interior defense. Most Spurs fans have been pining for athleticism and interior defense from a center since David Robinson retired.
That said, Darryl Watkins was not the answer. As far as I know, he's not doing much in China. And other NBA teams aren't exactly beating down his door. Watkins at this point isn't an NBA player.
Tolliver is much closer to being an NBA player and that fact alone makes him a better signing than Watkins. You don't sign a player based on need if that player can't play on this level. That makes no sense.
If Tolliver could hit shots, he'd probably still be with the team. His skillset wasn't what got him cut ... it was the fact that he shot about 12% from the field.
And yeah, if there is an athletic shotblocker out there that we are overlooking, hopefully Ice009 points him out. It's easy to want a certain skillset but actually finding an available NBA level player with that skillset is the challenge.
Considering that Mahinmi was practicing with the team even after he consulted with the doctor in LA, I doubt that surgery was obvious to anyone. If the LA doctor saw it and found something serious the Spurs missed, Mahinmi would have been shut down right away. Apparently, he tried to play through it but kept experiencing pain so they opted for surgery.
I don't know of many ankle injuries that didn't include a serious rupture that requires the player to miss six months. If there was no major structural damage, the usual protocol is rest and rehabilitation. Surgery on a sprained ankle is rare.
What could the Spurs have done with Ginobili? They wanted him to have offseason surgery but he instead played for Argentina first and then had the surgery. Parker's is a bit more questionable but it appeared as if he returned the the floor too quickly the first time and the ankle didn't respond. This year he returned quickly and the ankle responded. It's tough to say how an ankle will react until the player plays.
It's not like the Spurs had doctors trying to force Parker to play through a broken finger . . .
Is Manhinmi so talented and such a good player? I mean there is so much noise about him. Is he a nice big? I haven't seen him play. Know when he was drafted?
Are you kidding on this one?
Watkins was playing VERY solid ball every time he got some minutes with us in the pre season... IMO Tolliver over him was a mistake we had already a shooting big on the roster...
What is making you think (and you sound VERY sure) that Watkins is not ready to play in the NBA today? From what i was able to see during preseason... he should have made it and he actually was VERY close to getting the chance....
Watkins>>>>>>Oberto
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