Spurs sign Marcus Haislip - Page 15 - SpursTalk.com

Spurs9 · 07-06-2009, 12:47 PM

I'll be soooo pissed if we get Davis.

timvp · 07-06-2009, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Bruno

If Spurs FO was only allowed to spend $2M on a FA big, they would have used a part of the MLE.
If Haislip is a LLE contract, it means that Spurs plan to use at least $4M of their MLE.

I don't follow your reasoning. Other than the LLE being available only every other year, what else are you factoring in?

tav1 · 07-06-2009, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Bruno

If Spurs FO was only allowed to spend $2M on a FA big, they would have used a part of the MLE.
If Haislip is a LLE contract, it means that Spurs plan to use at least $4M of their MLE.

Huh? I'm lost.

Shastafarian · 07-06-2009, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by timvp

I don't follow your reasoning. Other than the LLE being available only every other year, what else are you factoring in?

He's saying if the Spurs weren't going to use the entire MLE, they would've used part of that to sign Haislip. Them using the LLE means they'll likely use some or all of the MLE to sign someone.

* I think *

timvp · 07-06-2009, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by picnroll

Haislip seems to be duplicating a lot of the skills Spurs might have expected to get out of Mahinmi. Wonder if they're not so high on Ian panning out.

IMO, Haislip looks he duplicates Gist. He's a running, jumping fluid athlete with an expanding perimeter game. That's almost Gist to the letter.

Mahinmi is more of an awkward athlete who has offensive skills on the low block.

Bruno · 07-06-2009, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by timvp

I don't follow your reasoning. Other than the LLE being available only every other year, what else are you factoring in?

If you sign Haislip with the LLE, you "hurt" your future by not being able to spend the LLE in 2010.
If you sign Haislip with a part of the MLE, you don't "hurt" your future.

The only case Spurs have an interest to use the LLE over part of the MLE is if they want to keep their MLE for something else.

tav1 · 07-06-2009, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Bruno

If you sign Haislip with the LLE, you "hurt" your future by not being able to spend the LLE in 2010.
If you sign Haislip with a part of the MLE, you don't "hurt" your future.

The only case Spurs have an interest to use the LLE over part of the MLE is if they want to keep their MLE for something else.

Oh. That makes sense.

Thnks.

picnroll · 07-06-2009, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by timvp

IMO, Haislip looks he duplicates Gist. He's a running, jumping fluid athlete with an expanding perimeter game. That's almost Gist to the letter.

Mahinmi is more of an awkward athlete who has offensive skills on the low block.

Yeah. I'm off on that one.

timvp · 07-06-2009, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Bruno

If you sign Haislip with the LLE, you "hurt" your future by not being able to spend the LLE in 2010.
If you sign Haislip with a part of the MLE, you don't "hurt" your future.

The only case Spurs have an interest to use the LLE over part of the MLE is if they want to keep their MLE for something else.

Oh okay, so you subtracted the LLE from the MLE. Now I see what you did there.

That is the optimistic way to look at it but the Spurs supposedly had been wooing Haislip for a long time. They could have dangled that LLE offer out there before knowing what Finley would do ... or what Wallace would do.

Plus, we are just assuming it's the LLE since it's the LLE size, but that doesn't mean the Spurs won't take it out of the MLE.

And finally, I'm not sure how much the Spurs value the LLE. They use it so rarely that the biannual aspect of it might not even factor into their thinking.

But -- the said -- I hope you are right.

nkdlunch · 07-06-2009, 12:57 PM

looks like Spurs are assembling a frontline of some tough hombres.

Gist, Blair, and now Haislip

although a little undersized. All we need is to resign Oberto and get that big FA to serve as anchor. (Splitter, Dice, Camby, Odom?)

Marcus Bryant · 07-06-2009, 01:00 PM

The Spurs are certainly increasing team speed and athleticism and are slowly moving from being built around Duncan to being built around Parker.

tav1 · 07-06-2009, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

The Spurs are certainly increasing team speed and athleticism and are slowly moving from being built around Duncan to being built around Parker.

That's the best observation I've read in weeks. Obvious and smart. Good call MB.

Bruno · 07-06-2009, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by timvp

That is the optimistic way to look at it but the Spurs supposedly had been wooing Haislip for a long time. They could have dangled that LLE offer out there before knowing what Finley would do ... or what Wallace would do.

With the FA starting earlier in Europe, Spurs have surely contacted him before Finley pick his option.
Now, even if you have negotiated a LLE contract, you can still use the MLE to pay it.

Originally Posted by timvp

Plus, we are just assuming it's the LLE since it's the LLE size, but that doesn't mean the Spurs won't take it out of the MLE.

I will be interesting to know it soon. MC Donald article said that Spurs still have their full MLE but it's McDonald...

Originally Posted by timvp

And finally, I'm not sure how much the Spurs value the LLE. They use it so rarely that the biannual aspect of it might not even factor into their thinking.

I highly doubt it doesn't factor in their thinking. Every details is looked at by a FO.

Marcus Bryant · 07-06-2009, 01:13 PM

As the team morphs from Duncan's to Parker's, Duncan's eventual retirement might not result in as dramatic a decline in team success as expected.

Blackjack · 07-06-2009, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

The Spurs are certainly increasing team speed and athleticism and are slowly moving from being built around Duncan to being built around Parker.

I agree, and actually posted a thread a while back about them maybe looking to go more up-tempo with the type of players they acquire going forward; people able to run and take advantage of a player with Tony's abilities.

It's a fine balance to have the players to win now, while utilizing Duncan, and finding the right type of players moving forward for Tony, but it's a move I feel that's definitely started to take place.

bigdog · 07-06-2009, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

As the team morphs from Duncan's to Parker's, Duncan's eventual retirement might not result in as dramatic a decline in team success as expected.

I never thought of it like that....good point.

spurspokesman · 07-06-2009, 02:03 PM

Spurs signed somebody that can dunk.

HarlemHeat37 · 07-06-2009, 02:16 PM

We aren't going to be a title team when Duncan fully declines..it doesn't matter what Tony does..we need Duncan as the best player on the team, and hopefully he's good enough to remain as the best for the next 2 years..we're fine with Tony being the #1 option on offense, because he's good enough to do it, but Duncan has to remain as the best all-around player on the team(scoring, rebounding, passing, defense, leadership)..

Teams don't win titles with a scoring PG as the best player, but they can if he's the #1 scoring option instead..

Buddy Holly · 07-06-2009, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by spurspokesman

Spurs signed somebody that can dunk.

Also:

Gist
Jefferson
Blair

Buddy Holly · 07-06-2009, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

Teams don't win titles with a scoring PG as the best player, but they can if he's the #1 scoring option instead..

Yeah.

biziofromdowntown · 07-06-2009, 02:32 PM

Let me say... i bet all my money that FO would make Haislip as our PF from the bench and Gist as a SF.ò As i wrote time ago..James could become a younger Bruce Bowen who can dunk.

HarlemHeat37 · 07-06-2009, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Buddy Holly

Yeah.

LOL..Chauncey Billups?..no..

cherylsteele · 07-06-2009, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

Teams don't win titles with a scoring PG as the best player, but they can if he's the #1 scoring option instead..

Um.....Lakers' of the 1980's maybe.

TheProfessor · 07-06-2009, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by biziofromdowntown

Let me say... i bet all my money that FO would make Haislip as our PF from the bench and Gist as a SF.ò As i wrote time ago..James could become a younger Bruce Bowen who can dunk.

I thought someone had said Pop saw Gist as a pure PF in the NBA. Might have been a hearsay report, not sure how much value to give it.

HarlemHeat37 · 07-06-2009, 02:40 PM

Magic Johnson wasn't a scoring PG, are you guys being serious?..he's arguably the best passer of all-time..

Tony Parker is a shoot-first PG..

lakaluva · 07-06-2009, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by nkdlunch

looks like Spurs are assembling a frontline of some tough hombres.

Gist, Blair, and now Haislip

although a little undersized. All we need is to resign Oberto and get that big FA to serve as anchor. (Splitter, Dice, Camby, Odom?)

07-06-2009, 12:47 PM	#365
Spurs9 Believe. Team: San Antonio Spurs SpursTalk Cash: $6900 Post Count: 234	Re: Spurs sign Marcus Haislip I'll be soooo pissed if we get Davis. _____________________________

07-06-2009, 12:47 PM	#366
timvp Get Refuel Team: San Antonio Spurs SpursTalk Cash: $67752 Post Count: 44,999	Re: Spurs sign Marcus Haislip Originally Posted by Bruno If Spurs FO was only allowed to spend $2M on a FA big, they would have used a part of the MLE. If Haislip is a LLE contract, it means that Spurs plan to use at least $4M of their MLE. I don't follow your reasoning. Other than the LLE being available only every other year, what else are you factoring in?

07-06-2009, 12:49 PM	#367
tav1 Veteran Team: San Antonio Spurs SpursTalk Cash: $46650 Post Count: 1,733	Re: Spurs sign Marcus Haislip Originally Posted by Bruno If Spurs FO was only allowed to spend $2M on a FA big, they would have used a part of the MLE. If Haislip is a LLE contract, it means that Spurs plan to use at least $4M of their MLE. Huh? I'm lost.

07-06-2009, 12:49 PM	#368
Shastafarian United Autodidact Society Team: San Antonio Spurs SpursTalk Cash: $42185 Post Count: 6,610	Re: Spurs sign Marcus Haislip Originally Posted by timvp I don't follow your reasoning. Other than the LLE being available only every other year, what else are you factoring in? He's saying if the Spurs weren't going to use the entire MLE, they would've used part of that to sign Haislip. Them using the LLE means they'll likely use some or all of the MLE to sign someone. * I think *

07-06-2009, 12:50 PM	#369
timvp Get Refuel Team: San Antonio Spurs SpursTalk Cash: $67752 Post Count: 44,999	Re: Spurs sign Marcus Haislip Originally Posted by picnroll Haislip seems to be duplicating a lot of the skills Spurs might have expected to get out of Mahinmi. Wonder if they're not so high on Ian panning out. IMO, Haislip looks he duplicates Gist. He's a running, jumping fluid athlete with an expanding perimeter game. That's almost Gist to the letter. Mahinmi is more of an awkward athlete who has offensive skills on the low block.

07-06-2009, 12:51 PM	#370
Bruno Bruce Almighty Team: San Antonio Spurs SpursTalk Cash: $80850 Post Count: 11,395	Re: Spurs sign Marcus Haislip Originally Posted by timvp I don't follow your reasoning. Other than the LLE being available only every other year, what else are you factoring in? If you sign Haislip with the LLE, you "hurt" your future by not being able to spend the LLE in 2010. If you sign Haislip with a part of the MLE, you don't "hurt" your future. The only case Spurs have an interest to use the LLE over part of the MLE is if they want to keep their MLE for something else.

07-06-2009, 12:54 PM	#371
tav1 Veteran Team: San Antonio Spurs SpursTalk Cash: $46650 Post Count: 1,733	Re: Spurs sign Marcus Haislip Originally Posted by Bruno If you sign Haislip with the LLE, you "hurt" your future by not being able to spend the LLE in 2010. If you sign Haislip with a part of the MLE, you don't "hurt" your future. The only case Spurs have an interest to use the LLE over part of the MLE is if they want to keep their MLE for something else. Oh. That makes sense. Thnks.

07-06-2009, 12:55 PM	#372
picnroll Mahinmi in ? Team: San Antonio Spurs SpursTalk Cash: $27450 Post Count: 8,654	Re: Spurs sign Marcus Haislip Originally Posted by timvp IMO, Haislip looks he duplicates Gist. He's a running, jumping fluid athlete with an expanding perimeter game. That's almost Gist to the letter. Mahinmi is more of an awkward athlete who has offensive skills on the low block. Yeah. I'm off on that one. _____________________________ But when the Detroit Pistons walked onto the floor after a timeout last month against the Spurs, one Piston asked what play to run. “Just give the ball to whoever Bonner is guarding,” Rasheed Wallace yelled.

07-06-2009, 12:56 PM	#373
timvp Get Refuel Team: San Antonio Spurs SpursTalk Cash: $67752 Post Count: 44,999	Re: Spurs sign Marcus Haislip Originally Posted by Bruno If you sign Haislip with the LLE, you "hurt" your future by not being able to spend the LLE in 2010. If you sign Haislip with a part of the MLE, you don't "hurt" your future. The only case Spurs have an interest to use the LLE over part of the MLE is if they want to keep their MLE for something else. Oh okay, so you subtracted the LLE from the MLE. Now I see what you did there. That is the optimistic way to look at it but the Spurs supposedly had been wooing Haislip for a long time. They could have dangled that LLE offer out there before knowing what Finley would do ... or what Wallace would do. Plus, we are just assuming it's the LLE since it's the LLE size, but that doesn't mean the Spurs won't take it out of the MLE. And finally, I'm not sure how much the Spurs value the LLE. They use it so rarely that the biannual aspect of it might not even factor into their thinking. But -- the said -- I hope you are right.

07-06-2009, 12:57 PM	#374
nkdlunch in a world of hype, we just win Team: San Antonio Spurs SpursTalk Cash: $3450 Post Count: 10,390	Re: Spurs sign Marcus Haislip looks like Spurs are assembling a frontline of some tough hombres. Gist, Blair, and now Haislip although a little undersized. All we need is to resign Oberto and get that big FA to serve as anchor. (Splitter, Dice, Camby, Odom?) _____________________________

07-06-2009, 01:00 PM	#375
Marcus Bryant Pimp Team: San Antonio Spurs SpursTalk Cash: $15900 Post Count: 1,018,214	Re: Spurs sign Marcus Haislip The Spurs are certainly increasing team speed and athleticism and are slowly moving from being built around Duncan to being built around Parker.

07-06-2009, 01:05 PM	#376
tav1 Veteran Team: San Antonio Spurs SpursTalk Cash: $46650 Post Count: 1,733	Re: Spurs sign Marcus Haislip Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant The Spurs are certainly increasing team speed and athleticism and are slowly moving from being built around Duncan to being built around Parker. That's the best observation I've read in weeks. Obvious and smart. Good call MB.

07-06-2009, 01:11 PM	#377
Bruno Bruce Almighty Team: San Antonio Spurs SpursTalk Cash: $80850 Post Count: 11,395	Re: Spurs sign Marcus Haislip Originally Posted by timvp That is the optimistic way to look at it but the Spurs supposedly had been wooing Haislip for a long time. They could have dangled that LLE offer out there before knowing what Finley would do ... or what Wallace would do. With the FA starting earlier in Europe, Spurs have surely contacted him before Finley pick his option. Now, even if you have negotiated a LLE contract, you can still use the MLE to pay it. Originally Posted by timvp Plus, we are just assuming it's the LLE since it's the LLE size, but that doesn't mean the Spurs won't take it out of the MLE. I will be interesting to know it soon. MC Donald article said that Spurs still have their full MLE but it's McDonald... Originally Posted by timvp And finally, I'm not sure how much the Spurs value the LLE. They use it so rarely that the biannual aspect of it might not even factor into their thinking. I highly doubt it doesn't factor in their thinking. Every details is looked at by a FO.

07-06-2009, 01:13 PM	#378
Marcus Bryant Pimp Team: San Antonio Spurs SpursTalk Cash: $15900 Post Count: 1,018,214	Re: Spurs sign Marcus Haislip As the team morphs from Duncan's to Parker's, Duncan's eventual retirement might not result in as dramatic a decline in team success as expected.

07-06-2009, 01:14 PM	#379
Blackjack #1 Poster Team: San Antonio Spurs SpursTalk Cash: $69300 Post Count: 6,056	Re: Spurs sign Marcus Haislip Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant The Spurs are certainly increasing team speed and athleticism and are slowly moving from being built around Duncan to being built around Parker. I agree, and actually posted a thread a while back about them maybe looking to go more up-tempo with the type of players they acquire going forward; people able to run and take advantage of a player with Tony's abilities. It's a fine balance to have the players to win now, while utilizing Duncan, and finding the right type of players moving forward for Tony, but it's a move I feel that's definitely started to take place.

07-06-2009, 01:31 PM	#380
bigdog Small ball FTL Team: San Antonio Spurs SpursTalk Cash: $47600 Post Count: 2,611	Re: Spurs sign Marcus Haislip Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant As the team morphs from Duncan's to Parker's, Duncan's eventual retirement might not result in as dramatic a decline in team success as expected. I never thought of it like that....good point.

07-06-2009, 02:03 PM	#381
spurspokesman Spurs or nothing Team: San Antonio Spurs SpursTalk Cash: $29400 Post Count: 855	Re: Spurs sign Marcus Haislip Spurs signed somebody that can dunk. _____________________________ I just sold my car for gas money.

07-06-2009, 02:16 PM	#382
HarlemHeat37 UGH Team: San Antonio Spurs SpursTalk Cash: $172302 Post Count: 12,941	Re: Spurs sign Marcus Haislip We aren't going to be a title team when Duncan fully declines..it doesn't matter what Tony does..we need Duncan as the best player on the team, and hopefully he's good enough to remain as the best for the next 2 years..we're fine with Tony being the #1 option on offense, because he's good enough to do it, but Duncan has to remain as the best all-around player on the team(scoring, rebounding, passing, defense, leadership).. Teams don't win titles with a scoring PG as the best player, but they can if he's the #1 scoring option instead..

07-06-2009, 02:23 PM	#383
Buddy Holly SAMETRODAILY.COM Team: San Antonio Spurs SpursTalk Cash: $78095 Post Count: 6,002	Re: Spurs sign Marcus Haislip Originally Posted by spurspokesman Spurs signed somebody that can dunk. Also: Gist Jefferson Blair

07-06-2009, 02:25 PM	#384
Buddy Holly SAMETRODAILY.COM Team: San Antonio Spurs SpursTalk Cash: $78095 Post Count: 6,002	Re: Spurs sign Marcus Haislip Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37 Teams don't win titles with a scoring PG as the best player, but they can if he's the #1 scoring option instead.. Yeah.

07-06-2009, 02:32 PM	#385
biziofromdowntown bright future Team: San Antonio Spurs SpursTalk Cash: $272250 Post Count: 841	Re: Spurs sign Marcus Haislip Let me say... i bet all my money that FO would make Haislip as our PF from the bench and Gist as a SF.ò As i wrote time ago..James could become a younger Bruce Bowen who can dunk.

07-06-2009, 02:34 PM	#386
HarlemHeat37 UGH Team: San Antonio Spurs SpursTalk Cash: $172302 Post Count: 12,941	Re: Spurs sign Marcus Haislip Originally Posted by Buddy Holly Yeah. LOL..Chauncey Billups?..no..

07-06-2009, 02:38 PM	#387
cherylsteele Steele Curtain Team: San Antonio Spurs SpursTalk Cash: $319440 Post Count: 2,909	Re: Spurs sign Marcus Haislip Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37 Teams don't win titles with a scoring PG as the best player, but they can if he's the #1 scoring option instead.. Um.....Lakers' of the 1980's maybe. _____________________________

07-06-2009, 02:40 PM	#388
TheProfessor Veteran Team: San Antonio Spurs SpursTalk Cash: $38250 Post Count: 2,032	Re: Spurs sign Marcus Haislip Originally Posted by biziofromdowntown Let me say... i bet all my money that FO would make Haislip as our PF from the bench and Gist as a SF.ò As i wrote time ago..James could become a younger Bruce Bowen who can dunk. I thought someone had said Pop saw Gist as a pure PF in the NBA. Might have been a hearsay report, not sure how much value to give it.

07-06-2009, 02:40 PM	#389
HarlemHeat37 UGH Team: San Antonio Spurs SpursTalk Cash: $172302 Post Count: 12,941	Re: Spurs sign Marcus Haislip Magic Johnson wasn't a scoring PG, are you guys being serious?..he's arguably the best passer of all-time.. Tony Parker is a shoot-first PG..

07-06-2009, 02:42 PM	#390
lakaluva Veteran Team: Los Angeles Lakers SpursTalk Cash: $39530 Post Count: 15,030	Re: Spurs sign Marcus Haislip Originally Posted by nkdlunch looks like Spurs are assembling a frontline of some tough hombres. Gist, Blair, and now Haislip although a little undersized. All we need is to resign Oberto and get that big FA to serve as anchor. (Splitter, Dice, Camby, Odom?) _____________________________

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