Rumor: Malik Hairston to Montepaschi? (Confirmed)

[ChuckD]

Originally Posted by DPG21920

So why did RJ get 40M? RJ shot 25% from 3 in the first round and did not make a 3 in the 2nd round sweep.

He shot 31% during the regular season.

Thanks for making my point for me. What did Malik shoot again? I'm not sure what the percentage is, but I'm pretty sure he's made TWO three pointers in sixty-something games over two seasons.

[ChuckD]

Originally Posted by TD 21

Hairston is the type of player who would fit it with the Spurs. A selfless, hard working, defensive minded player. That's their type. As for his shooting, he never received consistent enough playing time to say definitively he couldn't shoot, say, 30-32% from three. He very well might have been capable of that. It's not like his D-League, Summer League or college numbers suggest that he couldn't shoot the three at all.

Since when is 32% effectively? I'm not convinced Bogans and Finley played in front of Hairston for that reason. I think there was more to it than that. This is pro sports. Anyone who's followed them long enough knows politics often play a role in who plays and who doesn't, among other things.

DPG brings up a good point about Jefferson's three-point shooting (or lack thereof) and him getting $38.9 million.

Hairston got 60-something games over two seasons to show SOMETHING from beyond the arc, and epic-failed. I know he shot well in the d-league, but the d-league ain't the NBA. It could be that simple, or it could be that he can't do it on the big stage. He wouldn't be the first.

[DPG21920]

Originally Posted by ChuckD

Thanks for making my point for me. What did Malik shoot again? I'm not sure what the percentage is, but I'm pretty sure he's made TWO three pointers in sixty-something games over two seasons.

Your point is that if you aren't a good 3 point shooter, you don't play for the Spurs. Well, RJ sucked and got 40M.

[ChuckD]

C'mon guys, it isn't that hard. Pop will always play his best 3 point shooters, even if they aren't as good as those of years past. Shit, Garrett Temple literally came out of NOWHERE, knocked down 43.5% of his treys, and got double Hairston's minutes with a few starts thrown in.

It's not that he isn't a good guy. It isn't that Pop hates him. Malik Hairston failed as a Spur because he couldn't knock down the gotdamn three pointer. Period. End of story.

[ChuckD]

Originally Posted by DPG21920

Your point is that if you aren't a good 3 point shooter, you don't play for the Spurs. Well, RJ sucked and got 40M.

Actually, my point was that Pop will ALWAYS play his best three point shooters, even if they aren't as good as the ones he's had in years past. Richard Jefferson looks like Ray Muthafuckin' Allen compared to Malik.

[The Truth #6]

Are we talking about a different RJ? The one I remember was so afraid to shoot a 3 in the PHX series he would set up two steps inside the line.

[DPG21920]

20% in the playoffs for RJ from 3 point land.

[ChuckD]

Originally Posted by DPG21920

20% in the playoffs for RJ from 3 point land.

Alright, you made me look it up. 16.7% career for Malik. 62 games 478 minutes. That's a bigger sample size than you're using.

[DPG21920]

So 40M for 20% 3PT shooting in the playoffs for a team that values 3PT shooting and has championship aspirations?

Malik was not being paid 40M.

[ChuckD]

Originally Posted by DPG21920

So 40M for 20% 3PT shooting in the playoffs for a team that values 3PT shooting and has championship aspirations?

Malik was not being paid 40M.

RJ wasn't signed to that because he deserved it, he was signed to that for tax relief and so that they could bring over Splitter. His cap/tax number was ~ $22.7M, a crippling figure. If you haven't figured it out, that deal was done WELL in advance, before they even announced that they were going hard after Splitter this summer. If you add the luxury tax REFUND that the Spurs will get next summer, what they essentially did, was restructure his contract, pay him some money that would have gone to the league as tax anyway, and extend him for 3 yrs/$15M. Splitter doesn't come over if this doesn't happen.

BTW, Malik would STILL BE HERE if he hadn't ASKED FOR HIS RELEASE.

[ElNono]

Originally Posted by ChuckD

Splitter doesn't come over if this doesn't happen.

How do you know that?

[ChuckD]

Originally Posted by ElNono

How do you know that?

Because, while the Spurs are willing to go a little bit into the tax, they'll never go a lot. They were already at $64.4 with just 5 players, Tim, Tony, Manu, RJ's old salary, and McDyess.

[ElNono]

Originally Posted by ChuckD

Because, while the Spurs are willing to go a little bit into the tax, they'll never go a lot. They were already at $64.4 with just 5 players, Tim, Tony, Manu, RJ's old salary, and McDyess.

Well, Splitter having an opt out clause in his contract this season meant there was a window of opportunity there that might not have been there for the rest of whatever is left of the Duncan era if they didn't act now.

That's why, even if expensive, I'm not sold it wouldn't have happened anyways.

[ChuckD]

Originally Posted by ElNono

Well, Splitter having an opt out clause in his contract this season meant there was a window of opportunity there that might not have been there for the rest of whatever is left of the Duncan era if they didn't act now.

That's why, even if expensive, I'm not sold it wouldn't have happened anyways.

You're entitled to your opinion. IIRC, Scola also had such a decision tipping point in his Euro contract, and we couldn't afford him, taxwise. You saw how that turned out.

I might even go so far as to say they would have dumped their pick in the 2010 draft. They've done it before to dodge the tax.

[ElNono]

Originally Posted by ChuckD

You're entitled to your opinion. IIRC, Scola also had such a decision tipping point in his Euro contract, and we couldn't afford him, taxwise. You saw how that turned out.

I might even go so far as to say they would have dumped their pick in the 2010 draft. They've done it before to dodge the tax.

Actually, Scola was a completely different situation, IMO.
We were coming out of winning it all, and Tim was still very much in his prime.
I actually think that's why the Spurs had much more urgency with Splitter than they ever had with Scola.

[yavozerb]

Wow, all these posts over a player who averaged 1 minute of PT for his spurs career. Gotta love the summer. We need to group this with the Pops, Tolliver, and Ian threads.

[Obstructed_View]

Hey remember that time Hedo beat out Manu? How about that time Finley beat out Manu.

[ChumpDumper]

Manu was on the inactive list all year?

And Manu chose to go back to Europe because he figured he wouldn't get any minutes?

And no other NBA teams expressed any interest in Manu?

No, I don't remember that.