For my money, I don't see how it can't be Timmy. While David tried to lead through religious subjugation, Duncan's play did all the talking for him, and he single-handedly carried a franchise that previously had no backbone to 4 NBA titles.
Thoughts?
I agree but tbh David never had a consistent coach to work with, neither a FO with a clue. He was dealt a bad hand and had to work with assholes like Rodman, journeymen and total scrubs. He never had players as good as Tony and Manu next to him and had to drag the Vinny Del Negros and JR Reids of the world to 50+ win seasons. It wasn't David's ( lack of ) leadership that lead to multiple playoff exits.
Also, don't underestimate David's role in helping Duncan become the player and leader he is.
Leadership in every meaning of the word = David Robinson.
I think both guys are in the "lead by example" category. Sometimes I do wish Tim would go a bit "Coach Pop nuclear" on his teammates.
None of them
In 1999, it was Mario Elie
2003, they pussed out too; thanks for Captain Jax; no in 2003 I though Willis was the main leader
The true leader in disguise is Tony Parker, right
Speedy ClaxtonThe true leader in disguise is Tony Parker, right
Was over the moon when we traded John Salmons for Speedy, envisioned him easily leading us to the title.
Robinson is a followerPERIOD
Manu Ginobili
Creating a thread to bash on religion needs to be done in the Club.
Religion is not the subject of this thread. Leave your agenda at the door and get back on topic please.
Who's on the topic of basketball??
I was going to leave it alone but I hate how dumbasses throw that out there about DRob. If anything his faith made him a better leader.
Don't drop sh!t like that out in your post if you don't want a response to it.
His faith alienated teammates and cost the Spurs a title in 1995.
How so? Do you mind being more specific?
Both lead by example, but Duncan is the more intimidating force in that manner, mainly because the resume he possesses.
Better leader basketball-wise: Tim Duncan in a runaway.
Better leader starting a religious school: David Robinson. Not even close.
Why do people only mention David being religious? Every athlete ever has started off every post-game interview thanking god.
But they don'T mean it
Mangua read that Rodman didn't like Robinson's preaching to him when they played together, and ran with it.
Robinson's professing his faith in God didn't alienate teammates. Rodman is just a dumbass who couldn't take responsibility for his own willingness to quit trying when the chips were down. Saying Robinson's preaching influenced him to quit trying, or however he put it, is a copout from a guy with no character.
Pay me millions of dollars a year to play ball, and the team captain can tell me whatever he wants about religion/stock tips/self-help books/the cooking channel/checkers, whatever. Rodman has no balls otherwise he'd of just owned up that he acted like a spoiled child and quit on his team that post season.
Show me examples where Robinson wasn't a good leader. If anything he helped provide Duncan with the some of the tools he'd need to be the ultimate all-around player he's been in his career. Duncan credits Robinson with a lot of great mentoring early in his career. Robinson is largely responsible for the Spurs even being in San Antonio. His teams were incredibly successful in spite of the team having limited depth or talent prior to Duncan's arrival. If Robinson wasn't a leader he'd of been a guy with great stats on bad teams. His teams were consistent winners in the years before Duncan and that shows he had support from his team. All of his success came in spite of questionable coaches, lots of player turnover, and again, a limited supporting cast.
This thread was created to bash Robinson for his faith, plain and simple. Manuregua opens a thread with a religious chip on his shoulder, but has no real basis for any sort of real argument regarding Robinson's leadership skills. Just a chance for him to bash from a passive-aggressive viewpoint. I saw it, and sadly let myself get sucked into it anyway.
As I said, he should have just posted another anti-religious Club thread because that's all he's got. This thread was just a poorly veiled stab at religion. Weak.
Robinson was responsible for saving the franchise in San Antonio. No Robinson no Spurs.
The part I don't get is the teammates part, who was the other? Does Rodman count as two person now that he is borderline schizo?
And why would the sharing of faith be anything that would alienate a teammate? Out of dozens of teammates Robinson had, Rodman was pretty much the only person who acted up.
Jordan completely destroyed players like Dennis Hopson and Kwame Brown, is he a bad leader?
Kobe and Shaq divided the entire Lakers locker room, were they bad leaders?
Magic was blamed for getting his coach fired, was he a bad leader?
Bird was known to be a gigantic jerk, and even he admitted to McHale not giving his all during his career, was Bird a bad leader?
Isiah Thomas had a very public feud with Adrian Dantley that eventually got him shipped out, was he bad leader?
Why is spreading of faith not acceptable, and yet spreading of anti-faith acceptable? Is that not hypocritical?
i don't know about leader but on the court i think Robinson was a better all around player. rookie David Robinson would have killed rookie Tim Duncan. also lets not forget it was Robinson who played against "real" bigs in the 90's. did Duncan ever have a scoring title, quadruple double, 71 in a game? Drob>>>>>>Timmy D on every level.
He chased his teammates around with a bible, that's how.
great essay bro
And yet one flipped ... hmmm ... I guess that is pretty strong evidence it was that one single teammate rather than the issue with Robinson.
The same could be said for Gervin and, arguably, Duncan.
If Spurs don't win in '99, do they get a new arena? Do they stay in San Antonio? Who knows.
ahahahahahaha Without Duncan, that asshole is ringless. He should be kissing Duncan's feet and giving thanks to Tim Duncan constantly, instead of God. Unless he believes they are the same person, of course.
LOL @ Magua from Last of the Mohicans. Awesome! LOL also at "religious subjugation" . Priceless!
I think Magua has troll potential.
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