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    "professor Krugman"

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    "you are trying to go back 150 years"

    "and you are trying to go back 1,500 years"

    owned

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    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/201...gman&seid=auto

    Don’t Know Much About (Ancient) History

    The things I do for book sales. I debated, sort of, Ron Paul on Bloomberg.Video here. I thought we might have a discussion of why the runaway inflation he and his allies keep predicting keeps not happening. But no, he insisted (if I understood him correctly) that currency debasement and price controls destroyed the Roman Empire. I responded that I am not a defender of the economic policies of the Emperor Diocletian.

    Actually, though, appeals to what supposedly happened somewhere in the distant past are quite common on the goldbug side of economics. And it’s kind of telling.


    I mean, history is essential to economic analysis. You really do want to know, say, about the failure of Argentina’s convertibility law, of the effects of Chancellor Brüning’s dedication to the gold standard, and many other episodes.

    Somehow, though, people like Ron Paul don’t like to talk about events of the past century, for which we have reasonably good data; they like to talk about events in the dim mists of history, where we don’t really know what happened. And I think that’s no accident. Partly it’s the attempt of the autodidact to show off his esoteric knowledge; but it’s also the fact that because we don’t really know what happened — what really did go down during the Diocletian era? — you can project what you think should have happened onto the sketchy record, then claim vindication for whatever you want to believe.

    It’s funny, in a way — except that this sort of thinking dominates one of our two main political parties.

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    all butthurt on his own blog

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    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/201...ss-of-debates/

    On the Uselessness of Debates
    A bit of meta on my “debate” with Ron Paul; I think it’s a perfect illustration of a point I’ve thought about a lot, the uselessness of face-to-face debates.

    Think about it: you approach what is, in the end, a somewhat technical subject in a format in which no data can be presented, in which there’s no opportunity to check facts (everything Paul said about growth after World War II was wrong, but who will ever call him on it?). So people react based on their prejudices. If Ron Paul got on TV and said “Gah gah goo goo debasement! theft!” — which is a rough summary of what he actually did say — his supporters would say that he won the debate hands down; I don’t think my supporters are quite the same, but opinions may differ.

    Tales of historical debates in which one side supposedly won big — like the Huxley-Wilberforce debate on evolution — are, in general, after-the-fact storytelling; the reality is that that kind of smackdown, like Perry Mason-type confessions in court, almost never happens.

    So why did I do it? Because I’m trying to publicize my book, which does have lots of data and facts — but those data and facts don’t matter unless I get enough people to read it.

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    Really? The Roman Empire? That's the talking point?
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    If Ron Paul got on TV and said “Gah gah goo goo debasement! theft!” — which is a rough summary of what he actually did say — his supporters would say that he won the debate hands down
    he predicted this thread.

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    Krugmans followers whining about the moderator of the debate

    epic meltdown

    having to blog about your debate and follow up and get encouragement from your wall street buddies.

    that's for pussies and assholes

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    Krugmans followers whining about the moderator of the debate

    epic meltdown
    Just like Paul supporters whine about moderators of debates.

    having to blog about your debate and follow up and get encouragement from your followers.

    that's for pussies and assholes
    Speaking of followers.

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    Krugmans followers whining about the moderator of the debate

    epic meltdown

    having to blog about your debate and follow up and get encouragement from your wall street buddies.

    that's for pussies and assholes
    Krugman has you pegged.

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    Ron Paul has me pegged.

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    Krugman is a wall street follower? Really?
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    he cried about it in his blog

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    Krugman is a wall street follower? Really?

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    Tales of historical debates in which one side supposedly won big — like the Huxley-Wilberforce debate on evolution — are, in general, after-the-fact storytelling
    http://users.ox.ac.uk/~jrlucas/legend.html

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    Is Krugman not a big goverment believer and rate fixer?

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    thread = fail lol
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    I'm taking my ball and bat and going home

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    Is Krugman not a big goverment believer and rate fixer?
    Its very clear you're not familiar with Krugman's arguments and in fact just here to say stupid shit.

    Carry on.

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    Its very clear you're not familiar with Krugman's arguments and in fact just here to say stupid shit.

    Carry on.

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    I think more emoticons would help bolster your point.

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    Its very clear you're not familiar with Krugman's arguments and in fact just here to say stupid shit.

    Carry on.
    I'm familiar with Krugman's arguments and che is spot on.

    However I didn't see the slam dunk or spike the ball moment like the op stated. seemed normal libertarian v. liberal socialist argument to me.
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    Really now, explain to me how Krugman is a buddy of Wall Street please.

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    I'm especially curious as to how wanting to extend banking regulation makes him a friend to Wall Street.

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    This is where the discussion abruptly ends, Manny.

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    I doubt it. There are certainly more emoticons to follow.

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