I am reverting to Islam..

[Ghazi]

Do apostates deserve death? It isn't sufficient for God to punish them on Judgment Day?

If so, bring the ruckus

[apalisoc_9]

The evidence of Jesus is in the Bible itself. Obviously, over time it was corrupted.

The evidence if Abaraham and his sons is in Araba. Their graves are there.

The Jinns are real. Why do you think "Ghosts" have been around for so long? Every unexplained mysterious "thing" in this world comes with a Jinn that sinned. Jinns are commanded to live human beings alone but many of them transgress some might be good jins but just sinned etc.

Thousdands of fake prophets today have not foretold the future. Only the messengers have. How does Muhhamd even know the bedouins would even end up fighting for a tall tower, how does he even know the Great Christian constantinople would eventually be conquered, how does a lunatic even know a small tribe of meccans would eventually beat the Persians, yemanis, Romans?

Have these so called "fakes" ever had to deal with this?

Think about it Ghazi, how did a bedouin know that something lile the Sun rising in the west is even possible? ( modern scientist today believe its going to happen eventually)

[apalisoc_9]

Do apostates deserve death? It isn't sufficient for God to punish them on Judgment Day?

If so, bring the ruckus

Appstates deserve death because they bring about confusion. The fact that you're in American might a blessing for you because you might need more time to clear your head.

Here, lets agree on something and I hope you live to see it because that might be the only hope for you...

If Nations of the World Gathers to fight Muslims and an Imam shows up to repel these attackers you at that point should believe...

But lets say you didnt.

If a man blind in one of his eyes start making miracles, you need to start believing for he is a the greatest Liar...

But lets say you didnt.

If a Darker tonnes man shows up and calls himself Jesus, then aat that point you need to believe...hopefully, the sun has not risen in the west yet at that point.

[apalisoc_9]

Humans and their fairy tales. Lol

Adam,Noh,Ibrahim, Sulayman,Daud, Musa, Esa, Muhhamd, Shoayb, Zachariya, Yahya, etc Peace be upon them have proven through their Knowledge of future events that they are all real.

Ibrahim Grave is in Arabia and Kaaba was built by his own hands. None of it is a fairy tale.

[Ghazi]

What did these s say about the future? Do we know anythinf about Abraham other than him wanting to sacrifice his son (clearly a legend)...

[Leetonidas]

Adam,Noh,Ibrahim, Sulayman,Daud, Musa, Esa, Muhhamd, Shoayb, Zachariya, Yahya, etc Peace be upon them have proven through their Knowledge of future events that they are all real.

Ibrahim Grave is in Arabia and Kaaba was built by his own hands. None of it is a fairy tale.

Lol you're dumb. That is all fake. Grow up dude

[Ghazi]

68:1 Nun. By the pen that the angels write with... Nun is referring a whale that carries the Earth on its back... a mutha in whale is carrying the Earth on its ing back... 7th century... also the angels write everything that occurs until the Last Hour... so apparently, me making this post on Spurstalk was determined billions of years Go...

[apalisoc_9]

68:1 Nun. By the pen that the angels write with... Nun is referring a whale that carries the Earth on its back... a mutha in whale is carrying the Earth on its ing back... 7th century... also the angels write everything that occurs until the Last Hour... so apparently, me making this post on Spurstalk was determined billions of years Go...

Nun is a letter that only Allah knows its full meaning. It's not a whale. I'm starting to think your sources are either poor or imaginary.

68:1 is an Oath. Allah SWT uses (noon) and the Pen to make an oath.

The Angelsnwrite everything that has happened. They're nothing but a creation and what is going to happen in the future Allah only knows. That's elm al qhayb.

[apalisoc_9]

What did these s say about the future? Do we know anythinf about Abraham other than him wanting to sacrifice his son (clearly a legend)...

Prophets are All extenstions of one another. The Prophet muhammad knew Persia, Rome was going to be defeated when they were barely in the hundreds. He the knew the Great cpatial of constantinople was going to bbe captured, He knew Arabs will fight for long buuldings, he knew the Sun will eventually rise in the west, he knew the universe was expanding and will continue to expand, he knew a Very Tall tower will cover Mekkah, he knew the Arabs will face humuliation( today) etc...He knew so many things that no bedouin can know in the 7th century.

He is an extension to all prophets. Not every prophet had to know these exact details because it not relevent for their specif time period.

[Darth_Pelican]

How convenient that all of the magic happened before television and radio was able to record it, and once the technology came, all of the magic stopped.

[spurraider21]

How convenient that all of the magic happened before television and radio was able to record it, and once the technology came, all of the magic stopped.

at least there were a bunch of illiterate goat herders there to record everything

[Ghazi]

Allah could send us down a 21st century prophet with a 21st century "miracle" to decide the matter... .alas, its not in his will. He'd rather test us by forcing us to accept an illiterate desert Arab in the 7th century as the final Prophet and a book full of legends and tales with some occasional moral advice as His word.

[Ghazi]

Quran 5:33 The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter


Allah sanctioning crucifixion..endorsing the cutting off of hands and feet as a punishment for "waging war against Allah and His Apostle"

Really? This came from GODS mouth? The creator of billions of galaxies and stars and planets and black holes also gets kicks out of crucifying his enemies? Enemies that He created and controls, mind you..

[apalisoc_9]

How convenient that all of the magic happened before television and radio was able to record it, and once the technology came, all of the magic stopped.

What Magic? Muhammad's "magic" was all in his predictions. He never had cut the ocean in half magic..

[spurraider21]

What Magic? Muhammad's "magic" was all in his predictions. He never had cut the ocean in half magic..

oh except for the whole thing with an angel coming down and talking to him

[Avante]

The Aztecs, Mayans, African tribes, American Indians, Eskimo's, the Aborgines all have their Gods. Back in the days of Mohammad there were tons of various Gods. What does all that tell us, yep, we humans want/need a God so we have them. That's all that's going on with Christianity/Islam. Just us humans having what we need. Yep, it's no different than Zeus, Odin, Jupiter, and the myths and it should be real obvious.

Mohammad was a liar and a power freak, a tryant. His Islam a load of obvious bull .

BUT....while all that trying to explain the GOD we suck at it, that doesn't change the fact "something" is behind all this. To think all this just came about by chance is stupid.

[Ghazi]

"something" .... what vague nonsense.

SO what is this "something" thats behind all of this?

[Ghazi]

Muhammad likely had schizophrenia or bipolar with psychotic features.

Guy goes into a cave and has a trip and says an angel is speaking to him... if he went to 1000 psychiatrists today all of them would think he's crazy rather than The Messenger of God.

[Ghazi]

To recap the Quran.

1. Anyone who opposes/"wages war" against the Apostle and Allah should be crucified
2. An entire chapter is devoted to cursing Mo's Uncle Abu Lahab
3. Men are allowed up to 4 wives (why not 5? or 3? or 1?)
4. If you don't believe the legends/myths of the Quran came from Allah, you're damned to eternal fire. You'll be so thirsty and whenever you ask for water you'll be given molten brass.
5. The Sun sets in a muddy spring (18:86)
6. A whale is carrying the Earth on its back (68:1)
7. Thieves should have their hands cut off. Forget rehabilitation, or jailtime, just chop off one of their hands
8. Allah controls the good and the evil, so we don't really have a say in whether we go to Heaven or
9. Muhammad is the final prophet, which begs the question why?
10. The sun and the moon will be "one" near Judgment Day, despite currently being about 100,000,000 miles away
11. The Torah and Bible ALSO came from God, but were corrupted along the way... which begs the question, why did Allah ALLOW them to get corrupted?
12. Adulterers should be stoned to death, ing STONED

[Ghazi]

13. Nobody is allowed to have sex with the Prophets wives after he dies (why oh WHY is this making its way into Gods Book?)

Im done... ing done, Im going to , etc.

[Avante]

"something" .... what vague nonsense.

SO what is this "something" thats behind all of this?

Right there is the big mistake that is being made and why we have the religious mess we have. We refuse to accept the fact there are things far beyond our understandings. Nobody knows what that.."something"....is, so here comes all that religious bull trying to explain what can't be explained.

We could take a bucket of rocks shake it up and toss them out and we will never ever get a perfect circle of rocks. Now look at how many things must work in perfect concert to pull off life on earth. To think that was just shook up and tossed out and....perfection.....is ridiculous. OBVIOUSLY, "something" is behind all this, only a fool couldn't see that.

[SpursforSix]

We could take a bucket of rocks shake it up and toss them out and we will never ever get a perfect circle of rocks.

How many rocks? How many chances do we get?

[Avante]

How many rocks? How many chances do we get?

It simply won't matter. There is no way in dumping rocks out of a bucket will result in a perfect circle, yep.....impossible.

What if the sun were closer or further away? What if the speed the world turns was faster or slower? Then there's gravity. So all that just happened by chance?

DNA by chance?

[SpursforSix]

It simply won't matter. There is no way in dumping rocks out of a bucket will result in a perfect circle, yep.....impossible.

You're wrong.

Anyway, it's a terrible comparison. You're equating the singular outcome of a perfect circle with the world as we know it.

[Avante]

You're wrong.

Anyway, it's a terrible comparison. You're equating the singular outcome of a perfect circle with the world as we know it.

I get the fact anyone who can't figure out the limitations of middle school sprinters vs world class sprinters ain't too bright, no ya can't get anything "PERFECT" just tossing out rocks.

And, that is a great example of how unlikely it is to think all this just came about without intelligent design. It's just like the needing to place rocks in order to get perfection.

Then there's...

Science gives ample reason to believe in God. Why is DNA important?

British philosopher, Dr. Antony Flew, was a leading spokesperson for atheism, actively involved in debate after debate. However, scientific discoveries within the last 30 years brought him to a conclusion he could not avoid. In a video interview in December 2004 he stated, "Super-intelligence is the only good explanation for the origin of life and the complexity of nature."¹ Prominent in his conclusion were the discoveries of DNA. Here's why.
DNA in our cells is very similar to an intricate computer program.