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Stop with that crap Chinook LMAO...
But BTW Parker got that $$ thanks to his MVP run..
Wow, a basketball player got hurt? Shocking.
I think shutting him down with the Achilles had to do with the fact that the Grizzlies were going nowhere without Gasol anyway, and he likely didn't want to play through an injury with free agency coming up. It's not like he had a Wes Matthews Achilles tear.
Since his rookie season, he's missed and 0, 2, 1, 4, 2, 9 (sprained ankle - it happens in basketball), 12 (foot sprain and wrist - could have played down stretch but rested for playoffs ... plus broken face) games before last season.
The Achilles injury was nagging and he probably should have never come back. But no injuries the same.
Last edited by cjw; 06-28-2016 at 10:30 AM.
Stop with that crap Chinook LMAO...
But BTW Parker got that $$ thanks to his MVP run..
We really want a PG who has never shot above 45%? Parker hasn't shot less than 48% in 13 years.
Are you saying Parker is better than Conley?? Westbrook never had a higher percentage but I'm sure you'd take him in a heartbeat
Wow...so you're talking about paying a guy $20 million who has NEVER ONCE:
-Averaged more than 17 PPG (Parker has in 7 seasons)
-Averaged more than 6.5 APG (Parker has in 4 seasons)
-Shot better than 45% from the field (Parker has in 13 seasons)
-Won a game past the 2nd round of the playoffs (Parker has in 7 seasons)
And yet you complain about Parker making at the absolute max $15 million? So a career loser who will never make the Finals, got embarrassed by Parker on the regular in the RS and especially the playoffs you want to pay $20 million to? Like I always say, thank goodness you guys aren't in our front office or we'd be a perpetual lottery team at best.
Heck no I wouldn't take Westbrick over Parker. A career choker who shoots his team out of the playoffs every year (even though he has an MVP right next to him and a stacked cast)?
lol wut
Fair enough. Just thought it was irrelevant to bring up FG% when it comes to comparing Conley/Parker on Spurs. Conley on Spurs makes sense for a couple of reasons.
1. Conley is the better defender
2. Conley is 5-6 years younger
3. Conley is used to being a facilitator and creator. His focus was getting Z-Bo and Gasol looks. Parker is a score first PG who struggled being the third wheel...and is useless off the ball.
Sorry, I guess I didn't make it clear. I would rather have a solid PG who knows how to run an offense, shoot the ball well, and not fold under pressure than a career chucker who shoots a terrible percentage and always folds in the biggest moments, which is why he will never win a le. With guys like him an CP3 (career chokers with stacked teams and good coaches), you'll get all the flash during the regular season, but come playoff time, they'll try to shine, but never have had what it takes to finish off games, which is why both of those guys have choked away 3-1 leads in the playoffs.
The first 2 are true, but if he's such a great facilitator, why does he have terrible assist numbers throughout his career? He's literally never averaged 7 assists for a single season. That's awful. And he's a TERRIBLE shooter who disappears in the playoffs. And now he's already injury prone and he's not even 30 yet. I would have rather us drafter a true PG who is 20 or so and worked him in behind Parker in these last few seasons of Parker's career. He could be ready to take over by 22-23, whereas Conley is going to be in his 30's by the time Parker is phasing out.
In a free agent market where FA's are going to get paid, Conley for the max isn't such a terrible deal unless you're into paying someone with a lot less talent the same amount of money or close to it. You're basically paying for Conley's prime years (28-32 yrs of age), not paying for a player's decline like in the case of Parker. His injuries are neither the lingering type or career threatening so it's not a huge concern. Sure, there's risk involved but that's the nature of the business. I pity the fool who maxes out Ezili.
Unless you're into maxing out Teague in 2017 or wooing a 33 year old CP3 in 2018, there aren't a whole lot of better choices at the pg position in the near future. The Spurs lack flexibility in that they don't have assets to make trades for impact players unless you part ways with a rotation player like Green or an expiring Diaw (probable the team's only movable assets). Conley's no revelation but, he's the best they've had at the pg position since 2013. Either do something and try to get this team back into the championship contention or do nothing and pretend like LMA and Leonard can lead this team to a championship with this roster.
Last edited by Hoops Czar; 06-28-2016 at 11:51 AM.
At someone taking Parker over Westbrook. LOL
He's been injured and missed playoff games in 2 consecutive seasons, as he approaches the age where PGs begin to break down(30)..that's a legit concern IMO..
As for the latter part, I'm not comparing current Parker to current Conley..I'm comparing the situations, re: Spurs signing Parker around age 30 after his peak season(2013) vs. signing Conley as he's breaking down following his peak season(2013/2014)..Parker's skill-set was always going to be a concern as his broke down, physically, but his natural talent level easily surpasses Conley IMO(footwork is on a whole different universe, better passer, better shooter, etc)..
Conley is a defensive specialist, that's his biggest asset(which is going to naturally decline, with age)..offensively, he's nothing special, he has never had a standout offensive season, even at his peak..
Furthermore, the Spurs are going to pay 35+ mil per year for the PG position the next 2 seasons? Sounds disgusting
Great points! With ball dominant players like KL and LMA a pass first guard that plays defense and can shoot the three should theoretically be a good match.
He's a defensive PG in an era without hand-checking..his lateral quickness is the most important part of his game IMO..
Name shooters Conley has played with? He had 2 big men as focal points in the offense..It's a shame Parker never averaged more assist tbh.
A plaguing injured player would be somebody like Rose. Not Conley. You're really selling him short. He's been the Grizzlies best player the past 2 seasons and he's held his own against top guards recently. You're complaining about paying Conley but would you rather over pay for a Jermey Lin at 14M or Delly at 10M+? It's FA you're going to over pay regardless..so aim for the better talent.He's been injured and missed playoff games in 2 consecutive seasons, as he approaches the age where PGs begin to break down(30)..that's a legit concern IMO..
As for the latter part, I'm not comparing current Parker to current Conley..I'm comparing the situations, re: Spurs signing Parker around age 30 after his peak season(2013) vs. signing Conley as he's breaking down following his peak season(2013/2014)..Parker's skill-set was always going to be a concern as his broke down, physically, but his natural talent level easily surpasses Conley IMO(footwork is on a whole different universe, better passer, better shooter, etc)..
Conley is a defensive specialist, that's his biggest asset(which is going to naturally decline, with age)..offensively, he's nothing special, he has never had a standout offensive season, even at his peak..
Furthermore, the Spurs are going to pay 35+ mil per year for the PG position the next 2 seasons? Sounds disgusting
Conley is the better basketball player at this point than Parker and it's not even close..you can't compare their age or bodies either since Parker has more mileage on his tires and his decline didn't really hit until he was 32. Which ironically will be the age of Conley when his contract expires.
I think that the meeting between the two sides should clear up any questions. Conley starts and Parker slides into a sixth man role. Not starting is a sacrifice but it isn't a major drop off in minutes compared to last season (27.5 mpg).
Minutes at PG/SG/=
Conley-27/5/=32
Parker-21/0/=21
Theoretically it works in terms of minutes. But what is Conley's max level? You don't think its absolutely INSANE to have likely over 30 million tied to PGs in that scenario? That's like a THIRD of the cap! Parker HAS to go if Conley was signed.
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