"well regulated"
Search for the term "bump stock" on this site prior to the Vegas shooting. None of you ever heard of it. Now it's the most evil thing ever. You can do the same thing just by wrapping a finger from the trigger hand around a belt loop while shooting the gun.
Oh that's easy: Nerve gas. Just set it off in the middle of that crowd and no one leaves. Or one person with Ebola virus making physical contact with everyone they come into contact with at a concert.
The gas truck would kill maybe 20 people, maybe.
Then this is the vehicle you want to ram/smash crowds with. A fast one.
And there ya go.
Only thing is procuring the right stuff. You try to get the right chemicals to even make one and you will get a visit from ATF. Chemists know this. Or kids that wanna play on the Internet. Their parents gonna get a surprise.
https://www.lectlaw.com/files/gun01.htm"well regulated"
No. You don't have the ability to get there undetected and it's too expensive for the type of person who is willing to die to kill a few people.
You just use a big panel truck, and you have some explosives rigged in cars nearby. When the initial event has come to a conclusion and the emergency response guys are onsite along with news and bystanders, you detonate the next wave. That will bring more emergency folks. Then you snipe.
Of course, you'd have to be better at planning than the seemingly spur of the moment we see these days. The 911 attack is a good example of a plan to kill a lot of people, except the buildings were basically empty, sort of.
That sounds inconvenient.
let's help the shooter out that's having to wrap fingers around belt loops by manufacturing easy to use bump stocks
It's a byproduct. Any decent chemist can make it.
Too complicated.
Let's get these guys some bump stocking ar15's instead.
So you visit Africa and pick a guy up and pay him? Dont you think you could get or make an automatic weapon easier and do Vegas guy?
So you got a decent chemist to buy to help you? Or maybe you just look it up on the Internet and give it a go alone? I think you can get a gun easier and be far more effective.
People can run, and that will reduce your numbers significantly if you're going to use bullets.
Most of you have never fired an automatic weapon. Go do so, tell me how accurate you were. There's a reason teams use single fire or burst fire instead of full auto for actual targets. Dude in Vegas fired how many rounds and hit how many people? One RPG down the middle probably does as much damage if not more.
Are you saying the perp cannot be a decent chemist?
And I predicted this.
All the other hypotheticals that are much more difficult to obtain the equipment and carry out the act.
I am saying you personally are not a decent chemist.
You have to do better than Vegas guy.
What weapon and how? You have taken the most difficult paths, by far.
So how do you get an RPG?
And this is exactly why I am asking the gun people. Because you guys have the easiest way. You know this stuff. You don't know chemistry, you don't know biology, you know guns. Because people that do know chemistry, physics, and biology understand the difficulty of what you are proposing.
And then think of cases with people in a barrel. This is how our protection, police etc... must think. I hope they are anyway.
Last edited by pgardn; 03-15-2018 at 04:13 PM.
Gasoline, or natural gas, if rigged to explode, would kill more than 20 on a crowded freeway. Flash burns reported from such things happen at large distances. If I remember correctly like 3rd degree burns over a block away.
HIGHLY exothermic reactions.
Most terrorists tend to not be the stable type. One saving grace about terrorism. Hard to get a good education for people like that.
Not impossible, just unlikely.
https://www.google.com/search?q=2nd+...+think+it+does
Up until the NRA and gun manufacturers started pushing guns as the Solution To All Problems, we didn't used to think that unrestricted gun rights were what the framers intended.
The second amendment was put in place to allow states to have militias, to augment the Continental army.
That's it.
It doesn't give you the right to own guns, especially outside those militias.
Lol that was a waste of time. I see zero "well regulated" militias of private citizens in the us. Try and pretend you know of any now.
I see a bunch of kooks with guns tho
no, the militias were in the 2nd Amendment to satisfy the ing slave states and their slave-hunting, slave-oppressing posses.
Keller decision by the oligarchy SCOTUS 5 ACTIVIST-ly overrode, divorced "militias" and "rights to bear arms".
There are regulations on speech and due process too.
What a good education does in Science is to understand how difficult these things are and probability. Personally, I would use some sort of pipe bomb. No... And probably create a dud or blow myself apart first. And not meaning to brag, I know the biology-chemistry physics it would take for all this crazy people think they can do. You need experts. People can goof around and such but actually getting good at creating this stuff is hard. Most of the chemists I know are hydrocarbon guys. They know how to do hydrocarbon stuff. They could read up on how to make a decent nerve agent I'm sure, but even if crazy I know they would be more likely to kill themselves. Right now any of us could very easily create a chlorine gas device. But the amount of material, where you would place it, where it would disperse????? Very difficult. The bio stuf is hugely difficult. The guys who work with the really nasty viruses, bacteria are on a list. As are the chemists. And they ARE NOT necessarily experts in dispersal. You gotta be good and practiced. That's why killing the terrorist behind the bomb making is so important. They have experience and can teach others who must be capable. Knowlege, capability, materials, will... That's a very rare combination.
The point:
The guys on this site that know and have a lot of experience with guns could get something together much better than a noob like myself or most others. They would be the most effective at killing large numbers of people. Because they know the best devices, guns. You can just walk into a supermarket and buy ammonia and Chlorox. You can't go kill a large and large group of people with it. I doubt most people could even kill their wife with it. You can go into Home Depot and buy pipe fitting, nails (shrapnel) obtain elsewhere gunpowder and diesel, look on the Internet and then go try this. But, It's difficult. Practice, recipe, and then most likely hurt yourself. How to hide it? The noise.... The car examples are definitely the easiest for those who don't use a gun. But you run into bodies and other things. It's guns.
So again I ask the gun guys, what weapons and how? You guys know the best devices well. And they are available, already prepared. Piercing bodies with pieces of metal is much more effective than ramming people with a large hunk of metal plastic (car). "Put her in forward/reverse so we can run them down multiple times just to be sure"
Last attempt, I've asked this before.
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