That's cause they're still all afraid of muslims slitting their throats at night and too proud to admit our neo-con foreign policy is an unmitigated disaster.
jk,Manny. it's gittin late.
how you been?
That's cause they're still all afraid of muslims slitting their throats at night and too proud to admit our neo-con foreign policy is an unmitigated disaster.
told ya so........this is rather embarrassing.
http://www.politicususa.com/en/edited-ndaa-videoIt turns out that the edited NDAA video of Carl Levin that was inaccurately cited in the mainstream media as proof that Obama wanted to detain US citizens was originally posted by a spammer. As we know, the President did not ask for language giving him the right to detain US citizens, he asked for the opposite. But that story wouldn’t get very many clicks for a spammer…..
Thanks to the hard work of several writers, we now know the truth behind the tin foil hat insanity trip of the edited Levin NDAA video that went viral. Congratulations, mainstream media – you got PWNED by a spammer.
Matt Osborne of Osborne Ink uncovered that spammers were behind the edited video:
On December 10th an unknown spammer posted a selectively-edited video of Senator Carl Levin at YouTube and proceeded to tweet the link 45 times over 24 hours. The link is now dead (video deleted by user), but it has already been copied to accounts on various video sites. To find out what Senator Levin actually said, you can go watch the full C-SPAN clip atPoliticusUSA.
The video set off an online freakout of epic proportions. Recipients of this ‘reply message spam’ included a Bradley Manning account, Occupy accounts, and assorted hacktivist accounts. It was like squirting lighter fluid onto a smoldering flame, feeding paranoid memes of right and left. Indeed, “Joe Fangorico” was nonpartisan, including FOX News’ own Joe Napolitano and Ron Paulites on his or her list
another wing-nut talking point horribly debunked...I'm surprised by the number of board 'independents' who fell for this crap...
El Che pretty much agrees. Obama is just another puppet of Wall Street and the Military Industrial Complex.
good find Dan, but rather a minor point. obama swore off the veto and plans to sign.
Last edited by Winehole23; 12-23-2011 at 04:30 PM. Reason: the bolded; the bill will be signed after Christmas
This won't hurt him much, IMHO.
Fearmongering does that to a society. They become dumb and give up their liberties for a fake sense of protection.
But we gotta give up our civil liberties to the government in order to protect us from:
After being assured that the President would be the only one authorized to detain American citizens on US soil...Obama wants to know if an American citizen is being held on terror charges....that is accountability....unlike Dubya who broke any Cons utional protected freedom he saw fit to break and to with accountability....Dubya was already doing this and saying the law..
How in the world those two are moral equivalents to you is beside me....
+1
I would give Dubya some cred for vaguely pulling his head out of his ass in his second term.
To bad we were already sucked into Iraq by then.
Who here supports americans being tortured in foreign prisons?
Can you not see the moral hypocrisy of claiming indefinite detention and kill lists for US citizens are sanctified by legal permission? To say nothing whatsoever of the cons utional perversion of such a hypothesis.
And can you not see the imbecility of putting the political chieftain in charge of what the world considers war crimes and crimes against humanity, like we taught em?You're not paying attention. The US government has successfully claimed UK style state secrets privileges. That's on Obama; Bush wasn't so bold. Nor was he bold enough to suspend due process for US citizens by placing them on kill lists.
Now Congress has strengthened the hand of the President by giving him express authorization for what should not happen; for what never should happen; for what should never have happened.
Indefinite detention, secret prisons, prior restraint on the internet, abrogation of due process, state secrets, immunity for telecom surveillance of Americans, legally sanctified extrajudicial procedures.
Bush was a sine qua non, Bush was truly and literally radical, but this goes way beyond Bush by now.
Last edited by Winehole23; 12-22-2011 at 05:28 AM. Reason: restored to original condition
Looks like we do have something he will go down in history for!
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
-Benjamin Franklin
what's hard for me to understand is the lack of ins utional ganas on the part of Congress. why does it continue to strengthen the hand of the executive?
confession of essential spinelessness and inep ude?
Congress needs a daddy figure?
just wait 'til his second term
Take a deep breath winehole. Obama has not ordered the killing of any American citizen, nor has he ordered the indefinite detention of an American citizen, nor did he ask for the authority to detain or kill American citizens. All this is congress...Congress led by the GOP house is behind handing all itsCan you not see the moral hypocrisy of claiming indefinite detention and kill lists for US citizens are sanctified by legal permission? To say nothing whatsoever of the cons utional perversion of such a hypothesis.
And can you not see the imbecility of putting the political chieftain in charge of what the world considers war crimes and crimes against humanity, like we taught em?
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oversight responsibility to the Executive branch...we are lucky to have a grown up like Obama in charge rather than McCain, Dubya or Gingrich who would jail anyone who dares question the authority of the corpocrasy....
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I'm not completely sure why Obama decided to sign the bill in its current state, but I do know that there is no other President I would want to be responsible with this authority than Obama...maybe he is looking for someone to challenge the cons utionality of this part of the bill while he is President. Think about how long a wing-nut President would abuse such authority until it's cons utionality is decided...
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...ghlight=awlakiObama has not ordered the killing of any American citizen
it's amazing how much wrong you compressed into the first sentence of #45, Dan. I believe all three premisses are wrong.
will check in due time
Nit-pic all you want....defend Al-Awaki all you want.....Obama will issue a rare signing statement detailing how he does not agree with the authority nor will he use the power granted to him under this law
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/#45759926
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