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    the 14th, 15th, 19th and 24th Amendments all have stuff to say about limitation of what you seem to suggest is a privilege.
    Ok, they have stuff to say about why you cannot be excluded, but it doesn't guarantee your right to vote. You cannot be discriminated against for employment based on creed, national origin, religion, blah blah blah... doesn't mean you have a right to work there. The right is assumed and inferred but not granted, not by the Bill of Rights or anything else. The states reserve the right to say no. Otherwise electoral votes could never go against the popular vote outcome. We know they can vote how they like.

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    is there power the public has more crucial to the republic and its legitimacy than the power to choose who governs?
    Can you only post one line per post? Just curious.

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    I have. Of the many I've been to, the only courthouses I've been to that have asked for ID from any entrants are federal courthouses, and even then, if a person seeking access to the courthouse for something like jury duty doesn't have an ID, my informed conjecture is that the marshals have discretion to permit them entry.

    I seriously doubt anyone has ever been precluded from jury service because he or she lacked a valid photo ID.

    No matter, though. As Winehole has correctly stated, serving on a pe jury and exercising a fundamental right aren't particularly similar.
    To get a dollar refund on gum u must show Id
    If u can afford Id u are on welfare and gov will pAy for it

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    If u can not afford a 20 dollar Id maybe u are not smart enough to vote!

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    If u can not afford a 20 dollar Id maybe u are not smart enough to vote!
    It TX imposes a literacy test, ducks won't be able to vote.

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    To get a dollar refund on gum u must show Id
    no you don't

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    It TX imposes a literacy test, ducks won't be able to vote.
    Co-signed.

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    Voting is cons utive of government and its popular legitimacy. It is a -- perhaps the -- key attribute of citizenship. Four Amendments to the US Cons ution put the lie to the claim that the states may limit it however they see fit.

    The claim that voting is a privilege is hogwash. It's contrary to the spirit and the trend of US History.

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    Eligibility to vote in the United States is established both through the federal cons ution and by state law.

    Several cons utional amendments (the
    15th, 19th, and 26th specifically) require that

    voting rights cannot be abridged on account of race, color, previous condition of servitude, sex, or age for those above 18;

    In the absence of a specific federal law or cons utional provision,

    each state is given considerable discretion to establish qualifications for suffrage and candidacy within its own respective jurisdiction;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_rights_in_the_United_States

    American democracy has been a joke, a myth for decades.

    America is a plutocratic oligarchy. Human-Americans need not bother, because their bother won't make any difference.



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    What say you, FromWayDowntown?

    Is voting a fundamental right?

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    Can you only post one line per post? Just curious.
    I get better replies from bite-sized posts.

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    Sometimes I post faster than I think. Is that peculiar?

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    American democracy has been a joke, a myth for decades.

    America is a plutocratic oligarchy. Human-Americans need not bother, because their bother won't make any difference.
    it's not a plutocratic oligarchy all the way down, and even at the top, whom we choose makes a difference.

    Had Bernie Sanders been nominated and elected, arguendo, would things be just the same?

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    Just to clarify, do you agree with DMC that voting is not a right but a privilege?

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    Tendentially, it seems to be a right. Over time, in congruence with the will of the states and the people, it has expanded.

    The federal government, the states and judiciary seem to protect it as such at times. It's referred to as a right in the cons ution. Is that verbiage misleading, correct, or both?

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    I get better replies from bite-sized posts.
    Note taken

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    Sometimes I post faster than I think. Is that peculiar?
    No. Perhaps you post faster than your mental final test department releases product.

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    Just to clarify, do you agree with DMC that voting is not a right but a privilege?
    I'm not saying I like it that way. For example, the Texas electoral voter who stated he's not voting for Trump, he just removed the voting outcome from a significant portion of the voter base in Texas. That means there are no "rights" if one man can remove them by cons utional right. Sure you can go punch a ballot, but if it's disregarded.. it's not a vote.

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    When was the last time faithless electors swung an election? Aren't most -- indeed, almost all -- of them bound by statute to follow the electoral vote?

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    When was the last time faithless electors swung an election? Aren't most -- indeed, almost all -- of them bound by statute to follow the electoral vote?

    electors are not bound by Cons ution, intentionally

    some states fine them for faithlessness

    Trash is abnormal, so electors defeating him as demagogue, incompetent, beholden to foreigners, grifting would be how the FFs wanted the EC to handle the Trash

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    I'm not saying I like it that way. For example, the Texas electoral voter who stated he's not voting for Trump, he just removed the voting outcome from a significant portion of the voter base in Texas. That means there are no "rights" if one man can remove them by cons utional right. Sure you can go punch a ballot, but if it's disregarded.. it's not a vote.
    I thought that guy resigned. Didn't he?

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    If u can not afford a 20 dollar Id maybe u are not smart enough to vote!
    you are not in touch with elderly, nonwhite, poor, rural and sick Trump voters from Democratic Party areas.

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    there is no affirmative right to vote in the cons ution.

    but every state has granted a right to vote and through various amendments + the voting rights act, they essentially have no authority to discriminate that right

    so at this point, yeah, everybody above the age of 18 has a de facto right to vote. the states can pull it back, but would have to do so consistently among the whole population of that state

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    I thought that guy resigned. Didn't he?
    Chris Suprun? I haven't read that anywhere.

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    there is no affirmative right to vote in the cons ution.

    but every state has granted a right to vote and through various amendments + the voting rights act, they essentially have no authority to discriminate that right

    so at this point, yeah, everybody above the age of 18 has a de facto right to vote. the states can pull it back, but would have to do so consistently among the whole population of that state
    "granted" is a privilege, not a right. All of these things address exclusive discrimination, not overall right to vote.


    “The individual citizen has no federal cons utional right to vote for electors for the President of the United States” (Bush v. Gore, 531 U.S. 98, 104 [2000]).

    If the state can pull it back, it's not a right.
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