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    ^ doesn't believe in the Bible but plagiarizes from a website called "answers in Genesis"

    https://answersingenesis.org/mammals/rats-no-evolution/


    Lol still has me on ignore
    I can smell bible freaks from miles. I'm sure this guy believes some crazy ass from the little book, but he's sort of ashamed to recognize it.

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    I can smell bible freaks from miles. I'm sure this guy believes some crazy ass from the little book, but he's sort of ashamed to recognize it.
    Actually he's started threads making fun of the Bible.

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    Actually he's started threads making fun of the Bible.
    Smoke curtain IMO... he may acknowledge most of it is bull but I think he still believes the basic stuff.
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    I think he's simply dumb. Very dumb.

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    I'll try again, where are the different stages of the rat? Was that suppose to answer that question?
    It does, from what I can understand of your question.

    What do you mean by "stages"?

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    I'll give it a try:

    "rat" includes a lot of different species.

    The circular gif given did includ the order mamalia.

    "rat" refers to a subclass of the family rodentia.

    Early rodents branched off into two clads, and then further differentiated from there into quite a few different groupings that includes.

    Rodentia->Superfamily-Muroidea> Family: Muridae> Subfamily:Murinae >Genus:Rattus

    That is the order in which "rats" evolved from the original early family.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodent

    Not hard to find if you know what you are looking for, and how things evolved from earlier "stages".

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    Rattus is in the blue line most of the way down.

    This picture is a much blown up section showing JUST the rodentia family.
    Last edited by RandomGuy; 08-20-2014 at 04:20 PM. Reason: corrected cladding for rattus.

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    It does, from what I can understand of your question.

    What do you mean by "stages"?

    Gradual change, is what I'm talking about. Obviously if the rat did evolve it wasn't done overnight, so we'd see that gradual change that resulted in todays rat, where is that gradual change at?

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    "The fossil of Rugosodon eurasiaticus is preserved in two shale slabs in part (left) and counterpart (right). It is about 6.5 inches (17 cm) long from head to rump, and is estimated to have weighed about 2.8 ounces (80 grams)."

    Ancient rodents, among the earliest mammals.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3766913.html

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    Gradual change, is what I'm talking about. Obviously if the rat did evolve it wasn't done overnight, so we'd see that gradual change that resulted in todays rat, where is that gradual change at?

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    me individually or are you referring to humans?

    Mom and dad got busy on the first.

    Don't know that there's a specific purpose for second.

    Randomness is a distinct possibility
    lol pretending just like I said. That's How btw.

    Why do you exist?


    What's your belief on how man got here?
    Formed from dust by God for a purpose or evolved from dust due to some random chemical reactions for no particular reason are the only two theories out there. I'll go with the first but I'll admit the question isn't of much interest to me.

    Why do you exist?

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    but as to the rat


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    Did Humans Really Evolve From Rats?


    A whole study is or was done on this, dead serious.

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    Nope!

    How about...

    The rat

    The very first rat looked like this.... then it looked like his....then came this....after that we had this.......then it looked like this ...and finally the rat we know and love today.
    is out there if you go and look.

    I will continue to walk down their evolutionary path if you wish.

    Start with images of "rodentia", then simply walk down the phylogentic "path".

    Each branching will be "newer" in the fossil record, and lead you to your beloved rat.

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    Did Humans Really Evolve From Rats?


    A whole study is or was done on this, dead serious.
    Rodents were among the earliest mammals.

    It is not as odd as you think.

    If you will notice, lemurs, and our own branch, , are not far from that of the rat in the section of the phogenetic tree that I posted.

    "rats" ? No, that is a misunderstanding. Ancient rodents?

    Quite possibly. 160 million years is a long time to add variances for fast breeding mammals.

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    What's your belief on how man got here?
    Gods hand guided evolution. He believes the sudden bursts of evolution that happened after the long periods of stasis are "proof".

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    Rodents were among the earliest mammals.

    It is not as odd as you think.

    If you will notice, lemurs, and our own branch, , are not far from that of the rat in the section of the phogenetic tree that I posted.

    "rats" ? No, that is a misunderstanding. Ancient rodents?

    Quite possibly. 160 million years is a long time to add variances for fast breeding mammals.
    Did we all evolve from single celled photosynthetic algae?

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    lol pretending just like I said. That's How btw.

    Why do you exist?
    Cause mom and dad wanted kids.

    No idea where you are going here.

    Formed from dust by God for a purpose or evolved from dust due to some random chemical reactions for no particular reason are the only two theories out there. I'll go with the first but I'll admit the question isn't of much interest to me.

    Why do you exist?
    If you go with the second theory, then there is no "why". There just "is".

    I don't know why the universe exists. It just is.

    But since you are going with the first theory: why does God exist?

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    No idea where you are going here.
    I said the question of why is the hardest question to answer and science and atheist pretend that the question doesn't exist. You took issue with me saying "pretending" so I am asking you why you exist and you are pretending.

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    Did we all evolve from single celled photosynthetic algae?

    Dunno. You tell me.

    They have discovered some interesting things about early life fairly recently, that includes the ability of very simple single celled organisms to share DNA making finding a "first" organism almost impossible, as the concept of "species" doesn't really apply when that happens.

    More than likely most multi-cellular organisms did come out of photosynthetic cells of some sort, to my understanding.

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    why is it such a chore to get you to spell out what you believe happens after you die?

    If you don't believe in heaven or , where will you be when you get resurrected?
    Chore? You asked once. Lol.

    1,000 year reign. Millions resurrected. Then a final Judgement Day. After that it will be smooth sailing in a Paradise Earth.

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    I said the question of why is the hardest question to answer and science and atheist pretend that the question doesn't exist. You took issue with me saying "pretending" so I am asking you why you exist and you are pretending.
    You're playing with semantics.

    "why" presupposes a purpose.

    If there's no purpose, there's no "why". Only "how".

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    I said the question of why is the hardest question to answer and science and atheist pretend that the question doesn't exist. You took issue with me saying "pretending" so I am asking you why you exist and you are pretending.

    Ah, you are trying for the "gotcha" moment concerning abiogenesis, which is different from evolution, per se.

    The evidence we have begun to compile about the behaviors of simple proteins and specifically the molecules that form DNA is that they do tend to clump. The very chemical properties of these things pretty much guarantees they will spontaneously start combining.

    Further those molecules would be, and are, very common in our solar system.

    "God of the gaps" is simply a form of argument from ignorance.

    Which is a logical fallacy.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

    Sorry. Been there, seen it, and it doesn't form the basis of anything you think it does.

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    More than likely most multi-cellular organisms did come out of photosynthetic cells of some sort, to my understanding.
    That is my understanding also. So the question of why should be asked. Why was it advantageous for all higher forms of life to lose the ability to photosynthesize light?

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    Chore? You asked once. Lol.

    1,000 year reign. Millions resurrected. Then a final Judgement Day. After that it will be smooth sailing in a Paradise Earth.
    So you believe in the book of Revelation?

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    So you believe in the book of Revelation?
    Yes.

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