Cam Newton is an embarrassment to the game

[Raven]

atrocious oline, except they had two pro bowl starters

[The Gemini Method]

So you watched all his games? Now you're a ing football savant? , you can't even construct a coherent sentence. Your QB is not going to amount to nothing. Dude had a decent line last year and managed to get beat by Colin Sackorpick. That's rich. 50% completion rate against the Vikings. 3-8-1.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

That was last year's team, according to you at the time, and it resulted in zero playoff wins. Before this year, he had a great O-line, Steve Smith, and a stacked defense, and still didn't win .

With this year's supporting cast: Derek Anderson 1-0, Newton 2-8-1.

12-4, first division le since 08

[The Gemini Method]

atrocious oline, except they had two pro bowl starters

Who were out most of the season last year--quit acting like they were the Cowboys o-line.

[The Gemini Method]

12-4, first division le since 08

getting slapped at home by Colin Sackorpick by all people.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Who were out most of the season last year--quit acting like they were the Cowboys o-line.

I was under the impression this was a team game? So it's all Cam's fault that our record is like that? Not Greg Hardy mixed the coaching staff? Not because our running backs have been undrafted free agents for 7 of 11 games thus far?

Nope all Cam. Just as re ed as saying "Russell for MVP"

[The Gemini Method]

I was under the impression this was a team game? So it's all Cam's fault that our record is like that? Not Greg Hardy mixed the coaching staff? Not because our running backs have been undrafted free agents for 7 of 11 games thus far?

Nope all Cam. Just as re ed as saying "Russell for MVP"

Who's saying Russell for MVP? Not I. But you make it seem like Cam is without any blame for this.

[Clipper Nation]

12-4, first division le since 08

Sweet regular season, but nothing to show for it. Tebow, Sanchez, and TJ Yates have won more playoff games than Newton.

[Raven]

Who were out most of the season last year--quit acting like they were the Cowboys o-line.

well i can tell you that it was far better than it is this year, at least that you can admit i hope.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Sweet regular season, but nothing to show for it. Tebow, Sanchez, and TJ Yates have won more playoff games than Newton.

Ok? Cam has won more awards than any of them. Doesn't really mean anything. This is only his fourth year.

[Clipper Nation]

atrocious oline, except they had two pro bowl starters

PFF rankings in the Struggle era: 20th, 27th, 17th. Doesn't mean Struggle is anything more than a game manager, but his O-line has been average at best and terrible at worst.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

PFF rankings in the Struggle era: 20th, 27th, 17th. Doesn't mean Struggle is anything more than a game manager, but his O-line has been average at best and terrible at worst.

Well that proves that PFF is a sack of .

How about you watch the game got. Matt Bonner is a plus 855 for his career

[Clipper Nation]

Ok? Cam has won more awards than any of them. Doesn't really mean anything. This is only his fourth year.

Playoff wins > "awards."

[Raven]

PFF rankings in the Struggle era: 20th, 27th, 17th. Doesn't mean Struggle is anything more than a game manager, but his O-line has been average at best and terrible at worst.

i don't take pff rankings for olines seriously, i really don't see how you can consider a line giving the time wilson has and still say he has a bad/average line. For example, play action, the line resists but after 6-8 sec wilson starts monkeying around and gets sacked.. i can hardly believe that pff doesn't count that as a negative offensive play.

[Clipper Nation]

Well that proves that PFF is a sack of .

Not really. Seattle's O-line hasn't been able to stay healthy in recent years, especially Okung and Unger. Last year, James Carpenter had to play himself into shape and McQuistan had to be played out-of-position when Okung went down. Also, until this year, they had to rely on Breno Giacomini (a headcase who racked up penalties) at RT. When he went down last year, they had to start a rookie who was a disaster in pass protection. It's really not hard to understand the poor production from their O-line in the last three years.

How about you watch the game got. Matt Bonner is a plus 855 for his career

Funny how you're all about stats when they fit your Newton agenda, but when you disagree with the numbers, then it's "watch the game got."

[The Gemini Method]

well i can tell you that it was far better than it is this year, at least that you can admit i hope.

It was. But not by much because it was much penalized last year with Giacomini and McQuistan.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Not really. Seattle's O-line hasn't been able to stay healthy in recent years, especially Okung and Unger. Last year, James Carpenter had to play himself into shape and McQuistan had to be played out-of-position when Okung went down. Also, until this year, they had to rely on Breno Giacomini (a headcase who racked up penalties) at RT. It's really not hard to understand the poor production from their O-line in the last three years.


Funny how you're all about stats when they fit your Newton agenda, but when you disagree with the numbers, then it's "watch the game got."

Those are raw numbers, not those stupid advanced numbers that mean not .

Go pay a visit to the other thread.

[Clipper Nation]

Those are raw numbers, not those stupid advanced numbers that mean not .

Go pay a visit to the other thread.

Who cares if they're "raw" or "advanced" statistics? Either statistics matter or they don't. By the way, your "raw numbers" don't mean because (for example, with your /Montana comparison) they don't account for how much easier it is for today's quarterbacks to pile up stats than it was for previous eras due to rule changes.

[spurraider21]

breno giacomini

[Spur-Addict]

breno giacomini

Seriously, who touts that sloppy fat .

[Raven]

breno giacomini

facts man, face it once and for all

[spurraider21]

facts man, face it once and for all

you've given zero facts

you make up stories of how he has been a difference maker for seatte and the jets when there is absolutely nothing to support that position

[Spur-Addict]

atrocious oline, except they had two pro bowl starters

Who are never healthy. Check last year, and this year. Who cares how many Pro Bowlers you have if they're never on the field.

[Raven]

you've given zero facts

you make up stories of how he has been a difference maker for seatte and the jets when there is absolutely nothing to support that position

difference maker you just invented it right now .. i've simply said that they were better off with him (which gemini just admitted) and i said that at one point (when NE, SF and others had injuries and seattle didn't) they were the top line.

[Spur-Addict]

It was. But not by much because it was much penalized last year with Giacomini and McQuistan.

Nah, I'd say it's better this year. No Okung, Unger, and even Fat Giac was out as well. We were starting guys drafted in the six round last year. Do you remember that Texans game?

Sweezy is far better this year comparatively to last year, the growth is clear. And Britt has played in every game, and has played well. Okung is playing hurt, but he is still playing. And Unger has been out a while. And really, there's no real difference between Britt and Giac. To be strait, I like Britt better. The two guys missing weren't all that great, at all really. Quist is garbage.