Breaking: Washington judge grants nationwide restraining order on Immigration ban

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Much like I thought the ACA was , but because it happened, it rattled what the ty status quo was, so in that sense, it was utilitarian.

Taking money from young and healthy Americans and handing it to older and unhealthy Americans is nothing more than redistribution of wealth. The in' nerve. Then the deductible is so outrageous for the young and healthy Americans they can never use the gd thing. And if they don't pay the gov't penalizes them monetarily. It's ing insane.

[ElNono]

Taking money from young and healthy Americans and handing it to older and unhealthy Americans is nothing more than redistribution of wealth. The in' nerve. Then the deductible is so outrageous for the young and healthy Americans they can never use the gd thing. And if they don't pay the gov't penalizes them monetarily. It's ing insane.

That's the entire purpose of taxes, and we've done that since, well, we were born as a nation. Now we can discuss whether taxing is high or low or somewhere in between, and whether the tax dollars are 'redistributed' correctly (which is a very personal thing), but there's nothing insane about it, it's actually an integral part of how economies work.

Pre-ACA, we were redistributing the wealth too, by paying hospitals more for unpaid bills with the same tax dollars, because people who needed the healthcare but had no access to insurance, went bankrupt.

So it was a broken system, and it was replaced with a broken system too, but what I think was utilitarian about it is that shook an area that was bad and seemingly untouchable. Now, despite the fact that ACA is , we can do worse. But we could also do better, so at least there's that.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't think it has anything to do with one poster, but the fact that Trump is really outside the mold of your typical conservative (yes, conservative, not Republican).

Ultimately, in my personal opinion, that's what's interesting about that discussion, not whether 'fans' feel validated by his win (much like progressives of all stripes felt validated by Barry's win, even though he was in many ways nothing like a progressive).

When it comes to economic discussion, there's always been a lot of wedges that you could clearly also break down by party colors: capitalism vs socialism, globalism vs protectionism, free-market vs subsidies, etc.

You might not like Trump's election, and that's fair, but he does shake up some of those lines (at least in theory, we'll see in practice), and I don't think that's particularly bad. Much like I thought the ACA was , but because it happened, it rattled what the ty status quo was, so in that sense, it was utilitarian.

shaking up the status quo is not conservative. conservative seeks to keep the status quo. unfortunately conservative in the US has become white iden y politics and oligarchy.

[Will Hunting]

Taking money from young and healthy Americans and handing it to older and unhealthy Americans is nothing more than redistribution of wealth. The in' nerve. Then the deductible is so outrageous for the young and healthy Americans they can never use the gd thing. And if they don't pay the gov't penalizes them monetarily. It's ing insane.

Medicare is also wealth redistribution seeing that the baby boomers didn't pay into it anywhere near as much as they'll use it, and the difference is going to be subsidized by millennials.

If you want to talk about what in our healthcare system is outrageous, it's the fact we let private insurance companies that add absolutely no value scrape money off the top as an unnecessary middle man.

[ElNono]

shaking up the status quo is not conservative. conservative seeks to keep the status quo. unfortunately conservative in the US has become white iden y politics and oligarchy.

I agree with that assertion for the most part, but it really depends on what is the status quo. For example, ACA is the status quo right now, and I'm pretty sure with a 'typical' conservative (Cruz, Rubio, etc) it would've rolled it back to the previous badly broken system. With Trump? I don't know, honestly.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I agree with that assertion for the most part, but it really depends on what is the status quo. For example, ACA is the status quo right now, and I'm pretty sure with a 'typical' conservative (Cruz, Rubio, etc) it would've been rolled back to the previous badly broken system. With Trump? I don't know, honestly.

I don't think Trump is liberal or conservative. I think he is closer to anarcho libertarian than anything else. Bannon doubly so.

Conservatism as you relate it lacks principle and becomes partisan reactionism. I agree with that too. Unfortunately the dems do the same thing.

[boutons_deux]

Nearly 100 Companies File Brief Opposing Travel Ban

Major companies have rushed to back a lawsuit challenging President Donald Trump's executive order suspending the refugee program and barring visitors from seven predominantly Muslim countries after a federal court temporarily blocked the White House order.

In a brief filed to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, nearly 100 companies —including Facebook, Apple and Microsoft — from the technology sector and other industries supported the lawsuit filed by Washington state and Minnesota.

The companies argue that Trump's order is "inflicting substantial harm on U.S. companies."

"It hinders the ability of American companies to attract great talent; increases costs imposed on businesses;

makes it more difficult for American firms to compete in the international market-place.; and

gives global enterprises a new, significant incentive to build operations — and hire new employees — outside the United States," the legal counsel for the companies wrote in the brief.

The companies also assert that Trump's order violates the U.S. Cons ution and immigration law by discriminating against individuals based on their nationality.

Among the companies who signed the brief were Airbnb, Apple, Chobani, Dropbox, eBay, Etsy, Facebook, Google, Intel, Lyft, Microsoft, Mozilla, Netflox, PayPal, Salesforce, Spotify, and Uber.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/companies-oppose-trump-travel-ban-court

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Paypal? Isn't that got Theil the owner of that company?

[Clipper Nation]

Globalism is free-market taken to the extreme. It'd be difficult (but convenient) to argue conservatives haven't been the bastion of that. You would know, being a (former?) libertarian...

Globalism is fundamentally socialist. It's all about dragging down strong nations to artificially prop up weak ones. Peak globalism would be a one world government where everyone except the elites is equally poor. Basically your typical third-world socialist state stretched out all over the globe.

I can see where people might get the impression that globalism is capitalist, since typically capitalist endeavors like trade are used to advance the cause. But the underlying principles are anti-free-market. There's a reason why prominent leftists like Soros are among the biggest cheerleaders for globalism.

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Globalism is fundamentally socialist. It's all about dragging down strong nations to artificially prop up weak ones. Peak globalism would be a one world government where everyone except the elites is equally poor. Basically your typical third-world socialist state stretched out all over the globe.

I can see where people might get the impression that globalism is capitalist, since typically capitalist endeavors like trade are used to advance the cause. But the underlying principles are anti-free-market. There's a reason why prominent leftists like Soros are among the biggest cheerleaders for globalism.

CN

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10:31 AM MST

Where are all the liberals who claim that if only one life is saved, more gun control laws are all worth it. So if one American life is saved by prohibiting potential terrorists into this country, the ban is worth it too. Right?]]]

[clambake]

[[[LiberalsRcrybabies
10:31 AM MST

Where are all the liberals who claim that if only one life is saved, more gun control laws are all worth it. So if one American life is saved by prohibiting potential terrorists into this country, the ban is worth it too. Right?]]]

"well, he shoulda armed himself if he's gonna decorate his saloon with my friend"

[spurraider21]

[[[LiberalsRcrybabies
10:31 AM MST

Where are all the liberals who claim that if only one life is saved, more gun control laws are all worth it. So if one American life is saved by prohibiting potential terrorists into this country, the ban is worth it too. Right?]]]

For that to make sense, you'd have to show that terrorists/refugees from those countries have cost American lives. So far it's just hot air

[Blake]

Globalism is fundamentally socialist. It's all about dragging down strong nations to artificially prop up weak ones. Peak globalism would be a one world government where everyone except the elites is equally poor. Basically your typical third-world socialist state stretched out all over the globe.

So weak nations are propped up from super poor to just regular poor. Thanks for clarifying, professor.

US elitism playing world police imposing our will on weaker nations is a very republican thing to do tbh

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For that to make sense, you'd have to show that terrorists/refugees from those countries have cost American lives. So far it's just hot air

I know, what you want is an example, a gaggle of Americans slaughtered en masse= "Oh, God, how could this happen? Oh, my God, let's hurry, put the flags at half mast, beat our chests, wail our hearts out, have a large number of Town Hall events utilizing CNN personnel, muddy any standing water we can locate. Oh, God. And we must fight this scourge by letting more of diversity into our country.........oh, yeah, Oh, God."

[spurraider21]

I know, what you want is an example, a gaggle of Americans slaughtered en masse= "Oh, God, how could this happen? Oh, my God, let's hurry, put the flags at half mast, beat our chests, wail our hearts out, have a large number of Town Hall events utilizing CNN personnel, muddy any standing water we can locate. Oh, God. And we must fight this scourge by letting more of diversity into our country.........oh, yeah, Oh, God."

I just prefer a credible threat to a boogeyman if you're trying to sell the ban.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I just prefer a credible threat to a boogeyman if you're trying to sell the ban.

Abdul Razak Ali Artan

[spurraider21]

Abdul Razak Ali Artan

What pizzeria does he manage?

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What pizzeria does he manage?

The one where the eternal question: "Have you ever seen a grown man naked?" is answered.

[pgardn]

Globalism is fundamentally socialist. It's all about dragging down strong nations to artificially prop up weak ones. Peak globalism would be a one world government where everyone except the elites is equally poor. Basically your typical third-world socialist state stretched out all over the globe.

I can see where people might get the impression that globalism is capitalist, since typically capitalist endeavors like trade are used to advance the cause. But the underlying principles are anti-free-market. There's a reason why prominent leftists like Soros are among the biggest cheerleaders for globalism.

Your definition of globalism is wacked. Globalization could easily be used to explain why the US is the richest country in the world. It could also be used to explain wealth disparity.

What is globalism?

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Your definition of globalism is wacked. Globalization could easily be used to explain why the US is the richest country in the world. It could also be used to explain wealth disparity.

What is globalism?

Same as communism:::Somebody who has nothing and wants to share it.

[CosmicCowboy]

The legal arguments certainly aren't in the judges favor. As liberal as the 9th circuit is I don't see them upholding the ruling.

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The legal arguments certainly aren't in the judges favor. As liberal as the 9th circuit is I don't see them upholding the ruling.

ELE wager, CC?

[CosmicCowboy]

ELE wager, CC?

No way I'd bet on the 9th. They have a history of uncons utional decisions. The Supreme Court overturns them more than any other circuit court.

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No way I'd bet on the 9th. They have a history of uncons utional decisions. The Supreme Court overturns them more than any other circuit court.

Agreed. Trump will have to go to the SC in order to prevail.