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  1. #1751
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    Notice how bad you have to try and poison the well with your trolling.
    ...or you are a computer illiterate who applies psychobabble when you do not understand something but want to make yourself feel intelligent.
    Unfavorable information (be it true or false) about person A is presented.
    Therefore any claims person A makes will be false.
    http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...-the-well.html

    I dont' think your claims are false, nor do I represent them as such. You very studiously adhere to only true statements, I will freely admit to much.

    Just as studiously, you never admit to any relevant evidence on the topic of AGW that might point to its [potentially catastrophic effects--RG], nor do you bother to rightfully qualify things, as noted.

    Yet again, you start slinging terms about logical fallacies, without supporting them.

    Either you don't understand what they are, or you know, and are deliberately lying about what I am saying.

    Given you have never demonstrated a knowledge of what a logical fallacy is, I would say the former is more likely, but the latter is quite possible, given your apparent mental state.
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    No kidding.

    I haven't heard that rubber/glue thing since maybe 3rd grade.
    Neither had I. Can't put pictures in blue text.

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    Actually to be accurate I am politically independent. You are not going to get anything out of me insulting Ron Paul.
    Mises then?

    The Austrian school?

    The precioussss lisst....?

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    Yes, he is intellectually dishonest on a very frequent basis.

    Sometimes I call him RandomPropagandaGuy.
    Find an example of my intellectual dishonesty then.

    If I do it on a frequent basis, it should be easy for you.

    Example, and why you think it is intellectually dishonest, along with a link.

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    http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...-the-well.html

    I dont' think your claims are false, nor do I represent them as such. You very studiously adhere to only true statements, I will freely admit to much.

    Just as studiously, you never admit to any relevant evidence on the topic of AGW that might point to its existence, nor do you bother to rightfully qualify things, as noted.

    Yet again, you start slinging terms about logical fallacies, without supporting them.

    Either you don't understand what they are, or you know, and are deliberately lying about what I am saying.

    Given you have never demonstrated a knowledge of what a logical fallacy is, I would say the former is more likely, but the latter is quite possible, given your apparent mental state.

    Again, the skeptic argument isn't about the existence of AGW, it's about whether or not AGW is catastrophic.

    The le of his list:

    "1350+ Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skeptic Arguments Against ACC/AGW Alarmism"

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    Any attempt to undermine a person's argument using character attacks or attacking their motives can be considered an ad hominem logical fallacy whether you explicitly make an argument or not while doing it.

    I did not lie as you repeatedly engage in this behavior.
    There is a difference between insults and saying your points are somehow invalid because you are a stinky booger-brain.

    One should, as I have point out that your insanity and intellectual dishonesty should cause any reasonable person to approach your assertions with a bit more skepticism than would otherwise be the case.

    "can be considered" is not the same as "can be proven".

    You do understand there is a difference, yes?

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    Please stop demonstrating your computer illiteracy, automation is not "self-googling", let alone the usage of basic web analytics. The only "cause" I have is to correct misinformation stated about my work and or make clarifications when necessary.
    Do you have any link to any evidence in support of AGW's potentially catastrophic effects on your website or blog? Why or why not?
    Last edited by RandomGuy; 12-08-2014 at 12:42 PM. Reason: accuracy

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    What caused the drought, worse than the current on, 1,200 years ago?
    naturally varying climatic conditions, El Nino/La Nina, etc, etc.

    certainly not the draught, extreme weather, coal/oil-burning industrial revolution, AGW of 1000+ years later.

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    Again, the skeptic argument isn't about the existence of AGW, it's about whether or not AGW is catastrophic.

    The le of his list:

    "1350+ Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skeptic Arguments Against ACC/AGW Alarmism"
    I dont' think your claims are false, nor do I represent them as such. You very studiously adhere to only true statements, I will freely admit to much.

    Just as studiously, you never admit to any relevant evidence on the topic of AGW that might point to its potential catastrophic consequences, nor do you bother to rightfully qualify things, as noted.

    Yet again, you start slinging terms about logical fallacies, without supporting them.

    Either you don't understand what they are, or you know, and are deliberately lying about what I am saying.

    Given you have never demonstrated a knowledge of what a logical fallacy is, I would say the former is more likely, but the latter is quite possible, given your apparent mental state.
    Thanks, I genuinely appreciate the correction.

    Better?

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    ... and there he is. You have a new buddy, Cosmored. Maybe you can get him to comment in your thread.

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    Please stop demonstrating your computer illiteracy and learn to cite reliable sources.

    The stated purposed is quite clear as the list does not discriminate between competing skeptical viewpoints. Which paper supporting a skeptic argument did I intentionally leave off the list?

    This argument is incoherent, why would I provide papers that do not support skeptic arguments in a resource that was created only for papers that support skeptic arguments?

    Where does the list claim to be a comprehensive resource on climate change?

    I am claiming you are intellectually dishonest. I say this because you do not bother with even admitting the existence of evidence that might point to the catastrophic effects of AGW, here or elsewhere, that I have ever seen, let alone the volume or weight of that evidence.

    Wikipedia is credible to a degree, and does provide reasonably useful information. Feel free to cite what you think is a more credible definition of cherry picking as a logical failing if you feel that the one wikipedia provided was inadequate. Telling me to "cite reliable sources" isn't the hallmark of someone seeking truth, it is the hallmark of someone soothing a wounded ego. A real truth seeker would want to get an agreed-on definition, so that true could be reasonably determined, and would provide one.


    Choosing to make selective choices among competing evidence, so as to emphasize those results that support a given position, while ignoring or dismissing any findings that do not support it, is a practice known as "cherry picking" and is a hallmark of poor science or pseudo-science.

    — Richard Somerville, Testimony before the US House of Representatives Committee on Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Energy and Power, March 8, 2011.
    The very act of creating the website the way you have structured it, is cherry picking.

    Again, you will hide behind the "but that is my stated purpose" all you want. That is just being honest about cherry picking.

    Intellectual honesty is an applied method of problem solving, characterized by an unbiased, honest at ude, which can be demonstrated in a number of different ways, including but not limited to:

    One's personal beliefs do not interfere with the pursuit of truth;
    Relevant facts and information are not purposefully omitted even when such things may contradict one's hypothesis;
    Facts are presented in an unbiased manner, and not twisted to give misleading impressions or to support one view over another;
    References, or earlier work, are acknowledged where possible, and plagiarism is avoided.
    Harvard ethicist Louis M. Guenin describes the "kernel" of intellectual honesty to be "a virtuous disposition to eschew deception when given an incentive for deception."[1]

    Intentionally committed fallacies in debates and reasoning are sometimes called intellectual dishonesty.
    Seems like a fair definition to me. Again, feel free to post what you think is better or more credible. I will work with that definition to show you are intellectually dishonest, because by any fair interpretation, your website is a dishonest one, by the simple dint of not alluding to the strength or merits of the theory you are so desperately attempting to criticise and debunk.

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    Wouldn't it be dishonest to include alarmists papers in a list with this le?


    "1350+ Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skeptic Arguments Against ACC/AGW Alarmism"

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    Conspiratorial argumentation, I did not deliberately do anything let alone with an intent to deceive. The list is fully cited and sourced as there is nothing to hide.

    The criteria for support is that the papers are either explicit to a skeptical position, were written by a skeptic, or were already cited by and determined to be in support of a skeptic argument by highly credentialed scientists, such as Sherwood B. Idso Ph.D. Research Scientist Emeritus, U.S. Water Conservation Laboratory and Patrick J. Michaels Ph.D. Climatology not me.

    So again you spread misinformation as I am not the sole arbiter.

    How "strongly" something supports a skeptic argument is purely subjective, alarmists like yourself believe some to be weak while skeptics would believe them to be strong.


    Perpetual strawman argument, papers that support AGW have nothing to do with my resource nor do I claim they do not exist. Any reader of my resource who is literate would clearly know that it relates to the skeptic side of the argument as it is explicitly led: "1350+ Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skeptic Arguments Against ACC/AGW Alarmism"
    I didn't represent my analysis as fact, merely that it was my guess.

    Thanks for providing information here that you did not on the website.

    Support is defined here, but not on your website.

    explicit to a skeptical position, were written by a skeptic, or were already cited by and determined to be in support of a skeptic argument by highly credentialed scientists, such as Sherwood B. Idso Ph.D. Research Scientist Emeritus, U.S. Water Conservation Laboratory and Patrick J. Michaels Ph.D. Climatology not me.
    So how is a paper to determined be "explicit to a skeptical position"? or determine who is "skeptical"?

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    Wouldn't it be dishonest to include alarmists papers in a list with this le?


    "1350+ Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skeptic Arguments Against ACC/AGW Alarmism"
    It would be. Not my point though.

    I am making a point about intellectual honesty. Such a list is, on its face, intellectually dishonest, without some qualification of what the list really means. Do you understand why?

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    Just as studiously, you never admit to any relevant evidence on the topic of AGW that might point to its [potentially catastrophic effects--RG], nor do you bother to rightfully qualify things, as noted.
    I do not believe any relevant evidence exists to support catastrophic effects of AGW.

    Yet again, you start slinging terms about logical fallacies, without supporting them.

    Either you don't understand what they are, or you know, and are deliberately lying about what I am saying.

    Given you have never demonstrated a knowledge of what a logical fallacy is, I would say the former is more likely, but the latter is quite possible, given your apparent mental state.
    So you are denying you were poisoning the well with your personal attacks? Oh please, spare me your bull . What is more likely is you are mentally deranged.

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    Mises then?

    The Austrian school?

    The precioussss lisst....?
    Are you mentally deranged?

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    There is a difference between insults and saying your points are somehow invalid because you are a stinky booger-brain.

    One should, as I have point out that your insanity and intellectual dishonesty should cause any reasonable person to approach your assertions with a bit more skepticism than would otherwise be the case.

    "can be considered" is not the same as "can be proven".

    You do understand there is a difference, yes?
    You are not the arbiter on the definitions of logical fallacies. Ad hominem for instance can simply mean "criticizing a person's character instead of what they are saying" (Macmillian). Thus if you respond with personal attacks about a person's character in an argument it can be considered an ad hominem.

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    Do you have any link to any evidence in support of AGW's potentially catastrophic effects on your website or blog? Why or why not?
    Do you have a list of skeptic papers supporting their arguments? Why or why not?

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    I am claiming you are intellectually dishonest. I say this because you do not bother with even admitting the existence of evidence that might point to the catastrophic effects of AGW, here or elsewhere, that I have ever seen, let alone the volume or weight of that evidence.
    So you continue to make libelous claims about me then. I do not believe there is any valid evidence that points to any catastrophic effects of AGW let alone that it holds any weight. It would be intellectually dishonest for me to believe otherwise.

    Wikipedia is credible to a degree, and does provide reasonably useful information. Feel free to cite what you think is a more credible definition of cherry picking as a logical failing if you feel that the one wikipedia provided was inadequate. Telling me to "cite reliable sources" isn't the hallmark of someone seeking truth, it is the hallmark of someone soothing a wounded ego. A real truth seeker would want to get an agreed-on definition, so that true could be reasonably determined, and would provide one.
    Wikipedia is a completely unreliable source that can be edited at will by anyone with an Internet connection. Only computer illiterates believe otherwise. It is not my job to provide reliable sources for you to support your arguments.

    The very act of creating the website the way you have structured it, is cherry picking. [...] Again, you will hide behind the "but that is my stated purpose" all you want. That is just being honest about cherry picking.
    Why do you keep making libelous claims about my website? Which paper supporting a skeptic argument did I intentionally leave off my list? Your argument is abject idiocy, it is the equivalent of claiming that a list of papers supporting evolution is "cherry picked" because it does not include ones that endorse intelligent design.

    Seems like a fair definition to me. Again, feel free to post what you think is better or more credible. I will work with that definition to show you are intellectually dishonest, because by any fair interpretation, your website is a dishonest one, by the simple dint of not alluding to the strength or merits of the theory you are so desperately attempting to criticise and debunk.
    It is not my job to provide reliable sources for you to support your arguments. Repeating your libelous claims about me does not make them true.

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    I didn't represent my analysis as fact, merely that it was my guess.

    Thanks for providing information here that you did not on the website.

    Support is defined here, but not on your website.
    It was in the rebuttals section but this has now been added to the Criteria for Inclusion section as well.

    So how is a paper to determined be "explicit to a skeptical position"? or determine who is "skeptical"?
    This requires both basic reading comprehension skills and elementary knowledge of the debate.

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    So you continue to make libelous claims about me then.

    Why do you keep making libelous claims about my website?
    PopTech with The Threats

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    The science is settled, es!

    Natural conditions, not human-caused emissions of greenhouse gases, are the driving force behind California’s three-year dry spell, scientists on a federal task force concluded Monday. But the report came under fire from some experts who said it downplayed other factors that have humanity’s fingerprints on them.

    The evidence suggests a naturally induced “warm patch” of water in the western Pacific helped to create a high-pressure ridge that blocked precipitation from entering California, the experts said at a news conference to release the report.

    “We have been able to identify this as a mode of ocean forcing of atmospheric circulation that causes West Coast drought,” said Richard Seager, a climate model specialist at Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory.

    Other studies suggesting a global warming link are off the mark since they hadn’t spotted the warm patch’s influence, but that’s not to say emissions aren’t having other impacts, according to the task force assembled by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

    “The report is not dismissive of global warming at all,” said Marty Hoerling, a meteorologist at NOAA’s Earth System Research Lab. “At the same time, drought is not a consequence of the warming planet to date.”
    Realizing what this meant to the cause, NBC immediately turned to the least credible source they could muster to put the lie to their report...

    But critics included Michael Mann, director of Penn State’s Earth Science Center. He quickly penned a piece online, calling the report “deeply flawed” because of how it interpreted ocean and Arctic sea ice data, and focused on rainfall while paying “only the slightest lip service” to record warm temperatures in California.

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    Yoni is well aware of who I am.
    Have excessive feelings of self-importance Fail - I have no such feelings

    I left because I was bored and prefer debating more intelligent people not brain-dead stoners.
    You are still falling for it and do not realize it. They do not respect you here and are laughing at you regardless of the sources you provide. You are not going to convince them of anything on climate change no matter the sources you use because they are not intellectually honest and most of them are stoned. This is an ideological crusade for them not an honest debate. You can provide whatever sources you like and I can give you the playbook of how they will respond five pages of discussions out, why do you think I left? They are also a bunch of pseudo-intellectuals who engage in psychobabble. I have debated on hundreds of forums and am being completely honest with you.

    They want to frame me as "controversial" because I am actually a threat to them and they want to scare you from using my sources.
    Exaggerate achievements and talents Fail - I have exaggerated nothing

    Be preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, beauty, intelligence, or ideal love Fail - on all counts, I am already successful, I do not seek "power", I am not vain, I have no fantasies about my intelligence, I am in a fullfilling relationship with a beautiful women

    Disregard the feelings of others, and have little ability to feel empathy Check - I could careless about yours or anyone else's feelings online. All I care about is what is true.

    Have obsessive self-interest - Check - This is true but it has nothing to with this disorder but actually something else. I believe I have a mild form of aspergers syndrome similar to Michael Burry that allows me to relentlessly concentrate on a topic if I choose. This is actually a strength as I effectively never tire.

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    Narcissistic personality disorder is a condition in which people have an inflated sense of self-importance and an extreme preoccupation with themselves.
    Causes, incidence, and risk factors All Fail

    The causes of this disorder are unknown. An overly sensitive personality and parenting problems may affect the development of this disorder.
    Symptoms

    A person with narcissistic personality disorder may:

    React to criticism with rage, shame, or humiliation Fail - None of my reactions have been rage, shame or humiliation. This is a forum, you cannot see my physical person which remains completely calm at all times online.

    Take advantage of other people to achieve his or her own goals Fail - I have not taken advantage of anyone. That is just absurd.

    Have excessive feelings of self-importance Fail - I have no such feelings

    Exaggerate achievements and talents Fail - I have exaggerated nothing

    Be preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, beauty, intelligence, or ideal love Fail - on all counts, I am already successful, I do not seek "power", I am not vain, I have no fantasies about my intelligence, I am in a fullfilling relationship with a beautiful women

    Have unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment True - You got me there, I do not expect to be dishonestly lied about and now smeared as you and RG have done.

    Need constant attention and admiration Fail - Absolute fail, You have no idea how I do not care for attention or admiration.

    Disregard the feelings of others, and have little ability to feel empathy Check - I could careless about yours or anyone else's feelings online. All I care about is what is true.

    Have obsessive self-interest - Check - This is true but it has nothing to with this disorder but actually something else. I believe I have a mild form of aspergers syndrome similar to Michael Burry that allows me to relentlessly concentrate on a topic if I choose. This is actually a strength as I effectively never tire.

    Pursue mainly selfish goals - Absolutely False - My whole point for doing this is I do not like liars like you and other alarmists. If you never stated any lies I would not even be here.

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    I do not believe any relevant evidence exists to support catastrophic effects of AGW.


    So you are denying you were poisoning the well with your personal attacks? Oh please, spare me your bull . What is more likely is you are mentally deranged.
    No evidence whatsoever exists to support the catastrophic effects of AGW.

    None.

    So all the people saying there is are lying? How do you account for them in your milieu? Deliberately lying conspiracy?

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