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    Zimmerman: the new cause celebre for neo-cons
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    I'm not defending him.

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    Zimmerman was told not to follow him...probably for good reason.
    Zimmerman ignored this. Now it fairly smacks of premeditation.

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    Yeah, stalking someone with a gun might end badly.

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    Zimmerman was told not to follow him...probably for good reason.
    Zimmerman ignored this. Now it fairly smacks of premeditation.
    Have you listened to the actual tape? The dispatcher said "we don't NEED you to follow him"...That's quite different from" DON'T follow him."

    Again...I am not defending the guy but there sure are a lot of people jumping to iron clad conclusions without many facts.

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    Yeah, stalking someone with a gun might end badly.
    Agreed

    I sure as wouldn't do it.

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    Have you listened to the actual tape? The dispatcher said "we don't NEED you to follow him"...That's quite different from" DON'T follow him."

    Again...I am not defending the guy but there sure are a lot of people jumping to iron clad conclusions without many facts.
    I'm unsure what the operational difference is between the two. I don't think there is any, actually.

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    OK

    Agree to disagree

    Personally I think the dispatcher meant DON'T do it but I accept the possibility that Zimmerman in his pumped up adrenaline state heard "As a neighborhood watch you don't NEED to do that (but it would help us if you did)"
    Last edited by CosmicCowboy; 03-23-2012 at 04:53 PM.

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    Zimmerman: the new cause celebre for neo-cons

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    Professional race baiter and "journalist", Al Sharpton has become involved, so you know this will end well.

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    I'm not defending him.
    I'm not defending him, I'm just saying it was self-defense is all

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    I'm not defending him, I'm just saying it was self-defense is all
    Work on your reading comprehension asshole.

    I'm saying that there are a lot of people jumping to conclusions on very few published facts.

    The guy was clearly a busybody asshole but until I hear more facts about those last 60 seconds I'm not ready to call him a cold blooded racially motivated premeditated killer.

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    If it turns out that Zimmerman really approached him, instigated the fight, and Treyvon was the one screaming for help and Zimmerman shot him anyway I would willingly not only supply the rope, but the tree to hang him.

    Just give me some FACTS to justify that conclusion.

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    I'm not ready to call him a cold blooded racially motivated premeditated killer.
    it can still be murder even if it wasn't racially motivated or premeditated

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    Just give me some FACTS to justify that conclusion.
    one kid is shot and killed, the other is holding the gun and pulled the trigger.

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    Must be nice in your black and white world. You never have to use your brain.

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    Must be nice in your black and white world. You never have to use your brain.
    Is there any dispute that the kid is dead? no. Is there any dispute that he died b/c he was shot? no. Is there any dispute that Zimmerman is the one who caused the kid's death by shooting him? no. Is there any dispute that Zimmerman shot the kid in self-defense? yes. Charge him with murder, and let Zimmerman put on his self-defense theory. See what a jury says. It's Florida, so he might get a Casey Anthony jury.

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    Ummmm...no. Cite?

    The U.S. Office of Management and Budget currently defines "Hispanic or Latino" as "a person of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race".

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/fedreg_1997standards
    Regardless of race ?

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    I'm not defending him.
    Creating hypotheticals to exonerate him is not defending now?

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    Only God,George and Treyvon knows what happened that caused George to kill that kid in the hoodie, eating skittles and drinking tea. God bless.

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    Again...are you privy to any evidence of EXACTLY what transpired the last minute or so before the shooting? I haven't been able to find any tapes or eye witness accounts of exactly what happened. I am NOT saying the shooting was justified.
    People are convicted on cir stantial evidence all the time.

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    Is he politicizing the Treyvon story and bringing up race issue?
    Yes

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    Have you listened to the actual tape? The dispatcher said "we don't NEED you to follow him"...That's quite different from" DON'T follow him."

    Again...I am not defending the guy but there sure are a lot of people jumping to iron clad conclusions without many facts.
    He, Zimmerman, was basically stalking Treyvon, wouldn't you be su ious of someone following you for no reason? Zimmerman followed him and even acknowledged the dispatcher with an "okay", yet continued to follow him and then got out of his vehicle which was totally unnecessary.
    Yes, you are trying to defend Zimmerman.
    Fact is that Zimmerman was not tested for drug or alchohol like Treyvon was which doesn't make any sense at all. None.
    He was allowed to leave with the weapon. Doesn't make any sense at all. None.
    ANY time there is a shooting there needs to be an investigation not just release the shooter on his word. Even Cops get put on paid leave after a shooting, yet he is still free with his weapon.
    And the police went ahead and released him, without, as you say, many facts.

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    Being the POTUS anything Obama says is politicized.

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    hispanic is white, Caucasian race.
    Point is, he's a minority too.

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    because he killed someone with no legal justification. :SNAP
    Again...are you privy to any evidence of EXACTLY what transpired the last minute or so before the shooting? I haven't been able to find any tapes or eye witness accounts of exactly what happened. I am NOT saying the shooting was justified.
    No .

    Oh Gee... If you were there and know what happened, they need a witness.

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