Vaccines

[Blizzardwizard]

Yes or no?

Rand Paul made an ass of himself this week in my opinion.

Yes. I just can't understand the anti-vaccine crew e.g. Rand Paul, Michele Bachmann. But then again I don't understand most things they say.

[boutons_deux]

People grossly overstate the presence/influence/danger of the anti-vax movement.

under 200 kids with measles so far, haven't seen how many were hospitalized, permanently damaged, and/or kill

Now, for some context:

10,000 Kids Are Injured Or Killed By Guns Each Year In The U.S.

Injuries from firearms send an estimated 7,000 kids to the ER every year, and an additional 3,000 children die from gunshot wounds before they can get to a hospital, according to a new study published in the journal Pediatrics. Doctors are pointing to the new data as further evidence of the serious public health toll that gun violence takes on America’s youth.

The new study drilled down some of the data from a 2009 survey of kids’ pediatric stays. That year, the majority of kids’ gunshot injuries — 4,559 — resulted from intentional assaults with a firearm. An additional 2,149 were accidents, and 270 were suicide attempts. About six percent of the children who made it to the ER ended up dying in the hospital from their injuries, which are typically open wounds, fractures, or brain or spinal injuries.

“This study reinforces what we know from the mortality data,” Daniel Webster, the director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research, told NBC News. “We have an extraordinary health burden in our youth associated with firearms injuries.”

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014...lled-injuries/

2nd Amendment!

marans!

water the tree of lee burr tee (with our kids blood)!

home defense!

Freedom!

[Shastafarian]

I'm going to assume no but take a look at a beautiful little 4 yr old girl on more crutch contraptions then tween Forest Gump and I bet you'd feel like as arse for judging them.

I don't know if they are vaccinating there next.

He was asking because polio and smallpox have effectively been eradicated by the implementation of vaccination protocols. Transverse myelitis is a possible, though seemingly rare, consequence of vaccination. It shouldn't be used as a reason to avoid vaccination in children with no apparent predisposition to that disease.

[Winehole23]

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensat...csreports.html

[boutons_deux]

The Price of Prevention: Vaccine Costs Are Soaring

Old vaccines have been reformulated with higher costs. New ones have entered the market at once-unthinkable prices. Together, since 1986, they have pushed up the average cost to fully vaccinate a child with private insurance to the age of 18 to $2,192 from $100, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Even with deep discounts, the costs for the federal government, which buys half of all vaccines for the nation’s children, have increased 15-fold during that period. The most expensive shot for young children in Dr. Irvin’s refrigerator is Prevnar 13, which prevents diseases caused by pneumococcal bacteria, from ear infections to pneumonia.

Like many vaccines, Prevnar requires multiple jabs. Each shot is priced at $136, and most states require children to get four doses before entering day care or preschool. Pfizer, the sole manufacturer, had revenues of nearly $4 billion from its Prevnar vaccine line last year, about double what it made from high-profile drugs like Lipitor and Viagra, which now face generic compe ors.

“It’s expensive in part because it’s a very effective vaccine,” he said. “And also because they’re exploiting their monopoly.”

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/07/03...-It-Hurts.html

aka ABUSING the victims of their monopoly

BigPharma, just another BigCorp sector sucking wealth out of citizens.

[Wild Cobra]

BigPharma, just another BigCorp sector sucking wealth out of citizens.

With Obamacare pushed on us exclusively by democrats.

[boutons_deux]

With Obamacare pushed on us exclusively by democrats.

yep, elections have consequences, so eat

ACA, in spite of Repug non-stop sabotaging and in spite of working into a nightmarish, dysfunctional health care system, moves America forward.

btw, it was Lieberman, of the dominant health insurers in his state of Connecticut, who single-handedly killed the govt insurance of public option.

[sickdsm]

Is the current no vaccine advocate's reasoning the myths of Autism or because of freedom of choice?


I think a law requiring vaccines make much more sense than I getting a ticket for no seat belt but abortion is widely considered a choice?

Why can a mother decide to terminate life but if she decides the go the organic route (much preferred in food only) after birth, she's a monster?


I still think vaccines are a decision that should require about five seconds or less of thought.

[TeyshaBlue]

yep, elections have consequences, so eat .

Indeed.

[Shastafarian]

Is the current no vaccine advocate's reasoning the myths of Autism or because of freedom of choice?


I think a law requiring vaccines make much more sense than I getting a ticket for no seat belt but abortion is widely considered a choice?

Why can a mother decide to terminate life but if she decides the go the organic route (much preferred in food only) after birth, she's a monster?


I still think vaccines are a decision that should require about five seconds or less of thought.

Abortions don't have an impact on public health.

[sickdsm]

Abortions don't have an impact on public health.

Odds are much greater that if one person gets an abortion a life is lost than if one person doesn't get vaccinated?


Driver driving solo without seatbelt does not have an impact on public health either though.

[Shastafarian]

Odds are much greater that if one person gets an abortion a life is lost than if one person doesn't get vaccinated?

Abortions don't have an impact on public health.

Driver driving solo without seatbelt does not have an impact on public health either though.

...driving without a seatbelt is currently illegal and has nothing to do with epidemiology.

[pgardn]

Odds are much greater that if one person gets an abortion a life is lost than if one person doesn't get vaccinated?


Driver driving solo without seatbelt does not have an impact on public health either though.

So if your nonvaccinated kids come and cough their diseases on your friend's nonvaccinated kids can you both be allowed to shoot each other simultaneously?

[RandomGuy]

A classmate of mine has a 4 yr old daughter that has Transverse Mylitis. She was never supposed to be able to walk. She will always be handicapped supposedly because of a vaccine.


I like to keep that in mind when that's up for discussion.

All medical procedures have cost/benefit.

As a whole, we have to be willing to step back and look at the wider tragedy of millions of children dying from preventable diseases, and balance that with the certain knowledge that vaccinations can, do, and likely always will, cause smaller scale tragedies like the one your classmate suffered.

[RandomGuy]

Odds are much greater that if one person gets an abortion a life is lost than if one person doesn't get vaccinated?


Driver driving solo without seatbelt does not have an impact on public health either though.

Actually an idiot that drives without a seatbelt does have an impact on wider public health. If and when they get in an accident, they consume far more health care than might otherwise be the case.

Those costs are, quite often, borne by the rest of us.

People tend not to understand how interconnected we are.

[Shastafarian]

He was asking because polio and smallpox have effectively been eradicated by the implementation of vaccination protocols. Transverse myelitis is a possible, though seemingly rare, consequence of vaccination. It shouldn't be used as a reason to avoid vaccination in children with no apparent predisposition to that disease.

My bad only smallpox has technically been eradicated...in humans. But a disease called Rinderpest, in cattle/ruminants, has been confirmed eradicated thanks to a global vaccination program. There are other diseases that have also been geographically eradicated thanks to vaccine programs. The possible negative outcomes of vaccination are so rare and minuscule that you can't use them as reasons to decline vaccination for your kids. It's incredibly irresponsible.

Edit: Rinderpest was caused by a virus in the same genus (Morbillivirus) as...you guessed it, Measles.

[SupremeGuy]

The anti-vaxxers are so ing stupid it hurts my head, tbh. You honestly can't reason with stupid so we might as well make it law to get your kids vaccinated and move on.

[boutons_deux]

Govt admits that injury or death from vaccination exists:

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensat...cinetable.html

[SupremeGuy]

Do you ever think for yourself boutons? Or do you literally just jump on to whatever the new far-left issue is?

[FlAVaK]

http://meme .tumblr.com/post/110273255797

[SupremeGuy]

Jenny McCarthy probably started her little crusade because she was ashamed that her kid was autistic, and she NEEDED to find something to blame, tbh.

[baseline bum]

Jenny McCarthy probably started her little crusade because she was ashamed that her kid was autistic, and she NEEDED to find something to blame, tbh.

Was she old as when she had her re kid? That's a big factor for the increased rates of autism.

[SupremeGuy]

Was she old as when she had her re kid? That's a big factor for the increased rates of autism.

Not sure. She could just have bad genes, tbh. Some people can't handle realizing that. lol

[boutons_deux]

Do you ever think for yourself boutons? Or do you literally just jump on to whatever the new far-left issue is?

I jump on the right because you assholes and your politicians deserved to be stomped on.

You Can't Handle the Truth (that some people, esp kids, are injured or killed by vaccines, which is why I think some parents don't want to risk injuring or killing thier kid for the sake of the herd.).

[Shastafarian]

You Can't Handle the Truth (that some people, esp kids, are injured or killed by vaccines, which is why I think some parents don't want to risk injuring or killing thier kid for the sake of the herd.).

You're imagining things. The rational people here know full well there are idiosyncratic and/or allergic reactions to vaccines. But parents not caring about herd health is stupid. Not only does it make a disease harder to eradicate, their own children become much more likely contract said disease. I don't have the stats at hand but I'd wager unvaccinated children are more likely to get the disease the vaccine was designed to protect against than they are to experience one of those idiosyncracies or allergic reactions (if they had received the vaccine(s)).