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so if USC gets their NC taken away, does that automatically mean that Auburn gets the trophy?
I'm not so sure.
Either way, Tuberville FTW.
from Sporting News.com
And from Al.com...USC could be stripped of its 2004 national football championship by the BCS if the NCAA rules that Reggie Bush is guilty of accepting illicit benefits while playing for the Trojans, USA Today reports.
The BCS in 2007, as the investigation into USC and Bush continued, quietly implemented a policy stating that teams' bowl appearances and BCS les are to be vacated when major rules violations are discovered and schools are sanctioned by the NCAA. BCS executive director Bill Han confirmed that provision to the newspaper.
But Han said, "Nothing would happen until the very end of the NCAA process, including any appeals."
The BCS policy states, "When the NCAA or a conference makes a finding of violations ... and imposes a sanction of forfeiture or vacation of contests in which an ineligible student-athlete participated, we will presume that vacation of participation in a BCS bowl game is warranted."
The BCS' Presidential Oversight Committee, made up of university CEOs and currently chaired by Nebraska Chancellor Harvey Perlman, would make the ultimate decision.
Of course this is a big ole' "if" scenario, but i'm not sure how I would feel about Auburn sliding into the role of champion if USC does get crushed by the NCAA. I've never been a big fan of forcing teams to vacate wins, especially when it's over the actions of one player, assuming that's all the NCAA has dirt on regarding that years USC team.The race for the 2004 national championship in college football is about to get interesting.
Say the NCAA hammers USC, and the BCS and the AP take away the national les they awarded the Trojans and their semi-pro tailback, Reggie Bush.
Say the BCS revisits its policy on the subject and the AP re-votes, and one or both of those organizations decides to correct the greatest injustice of the BCS era by crowning, as the rightful champs, the Auburn Tigers.
What should Auburn do six years later? Please. That’s easy. Accept it. Celebrate it. And never, ever apologize for it.
In other words, Auburn should follow Alabama’s lead. After all, the Crimson Tide has a lot more experience with the national championship thing.
Alabama hasn’t filled a trophy case and built a statue for every national le that everyone from the Dunkel Index to Dunkin’ Donuts has tried to throw at it, but the school has said yes more often than not.
And why not?
These things are decided, to a greater or lesser degree, on the hard drives of computers and in the thick skulls of voters as much as they are on the field. Unless and until there’s a bona fide playoff, if someone wants to give you a national championship, say thank you, take it and run with it.
USA Today first noticed last week that three years ago, with the USC investigation gaining speed, the BCS ins uted a policy for just this kind of eventuality. A quick read of the BCS website reveals that the policy contains the following provisions:
You win a BCS game.
The NCAA Infractions Committee later finds you guilty of violations that provided a compe ive advantage or involved an ineligible player.
One of your sanctions forces you to forfeit or vacate victories.
Those victories include games that allowed you to reach the BCS game or the BCS game itself.
In that case, the BCS will vacate your participation in its bowl game. If that game was for the national championship, the BCS will take away your national championship.
But that’s only half the equation. The BCS policy does not say if or how a new champion will be crowned.
If the NCAA blasts USC – and a ruling should be imminent; shouldn’t it? – the BCS won’t act until the appeal process is complete. At that point, it’ll be an interesting dilemma, whether to leave that 2004 championship vacant or to choose between unbeaten Auburn and Oklahoma, which was unbeaten itself until getting undressed by the Trojans.
Yes, I know, Utah finished without a loss too, but only Orrin Hatch thinks the Utes belong in this conversation.
If the BCS decides to pick a winner, with the Orange Bowl wiped from the record books, OU could argue that it was ranked ahead of Auburn in the final BCS standings after the regular season.
Auburn could argue that you can’t erase its Sugar Bowl victory over Virginia Tech.
Advantage: Auburn.
Someone at the BCS would have to make the call. It probably wouldn’t be executive director Bill Han , since he’s an administrator and not a policy-maker, and lucky for Auburn.
Han is an Oklahoma native and a 1972 journalism graduate of the University of Oklahoma, where he later worked as an assistant sports information director.
If the decision gets kicked upstairs to the BCS Presidential Oversight Committee, you’ll never guess who could have a voice in it.
Alabama president Robert Witt.
Something tells me Witt didn’t sign up for this kind of duty when he became one of the 12 members of that committee.
Of course, fairness would demand that he recuse himself. And then Oklahoma would demand that committee chairman Harvey Perlman recuse himself because he’s the chancellor at rival Nebraska.
Sooner or later, the le would have to be decided by a game of rock, paper, scissors between Bob Stoops and Tommy Tuberville.
Remember Tuberville’s defiant prediction after Jetgate, the year before ’04? ‘‘We are gonna win the national championship,” he vowed. ‘‘And you can write that.”
He might be right after all.
That USC team was ridiculous, and I'll never forget the Okie band playing Boomer Sooner (or whatever the fight song is named) after first downs because they were getting crushed so badly. Auburn had a very good team, but tended to play down to their compe ion too often. Not sure they could have beaten USC that year, although I'm convinced they would have made a better showing than did OU.
les are won on the field, not in retrospect. I guess I would have mixed feelings if this "what if" scenario plays itself out. I would be glad to add a second le to AU's resume, but would also regret the fact that they most likely weren't the best team in CFB that year...
What do you guys think?
so if USC gets their NC taken away, does that automatically mean that Auburn gets the trophy?
I'm not so sure.
Either way, Tuberville FTW.
It would be vacated, which means nobody wins
But damn USC cheats like no other
They just keep getting caught, cheating
uniformly, systematically
cheaters.
Why do they cheat so much, basketball, football, steroids, cash, condos
Bush lateral!
Bush latral i said crofl
cart mccry
we know this
it would be forfeited. No winner. No telling whether or not Oklahoma would have blown Auburn out.
so basically they become like Auburn
Cheating.
The worst thing one can do in sports
And it's what USC is known for
exactly
Systematically
The AP would apparently re-vote, so you would get another AP champion, but the BCS has no policy in place to crown another team...
Should be interesting to watch it play out, Oklahoma would certainly have an argument since it was also unbeaten heading into the NC game, at least as far as a re-vote for the AP champion
USC was the best football team in 2004, no matter how much money Bush took, and that's all I care about.
That means strip the le for cheating, but don't give it to anyone. It becomes like MLB 1994.
That also means that they would have to vacate that 2005 natio... Oh wait. VY already took care of that cheatin ass
Sucks for Auburn that they can only at best get a tainted championship without the opportunity to prove they're the best. I feel a bit for Oklahoma too, but whether USC are cheaters or not, at least they had a shot at it.
As to if Auburn would actually be champions, I'm obviously biased but I'd say yes. The definition of champion in college football has always been hazy and in doubt, even after the BCS was added to try to clarify the issue. If there is no BCS champion, then they let that be and crown an AP champion, something they did for decades before the new system came to be.
jeez, so if Auburn should've won it all that year, and after Alabama defends its national le this year... that's 7 SEC national championships in the past 8 years.
jeez... wheres the compe ion?
Other conferences actually have souls...they don't sell themselves to football.
so that's how the Big 10 explains why they have sucked the past decade
Yeah and all you had to do was pull two MNCs out of thin air
Want to start a Jordan Jefferson thread?
Big12 hasn't been much better my friend.
Ghazi, didn't you used to claim LSU as your team?
And that's why conference smack is worthless
Michigan state arguing with tech about who's better, Texas or Ohio state
While LSU with possibly the worst QB- head coach combo in the nation, has to root for Florida and bama to keep some sort of fictional streak alive
I disagree. If anything, this thread and the 2004 national championship should show how important the reputation of a conference as a whole can be. The 2004 regular season ended with three undefeated teams from BCS conferences, and the decision of which two to allow into the championship game came down in many ways to the prestige of the respective programs and their conferences.
Since then, Oklahoma was shown to be overrated after getting smeared, and USC has allegedly cheated their way to the top. The SEC, represented in '04 by Auburn, has proven to year in and year out be the best football conference out there.
Question: If next season concludes with undefeated teams from the Pac-10, Big 12, and SEC, who gets snubbed? I guarentee you it won't be the SEC. Not because of '04, but because of '06, '07, '08, and '09.
Conference smack shouldn't matter, but as long as a seriously flawed system like the BCS exists, it is important.
Yes naturally the sec is good, don't act like 6 years is historical or back in the day though, how old are you 19?
do you sport an SEC starter jacket? Would you buy a fly SEC fitted? No
never
That's not college football. That's espn talking head . I guarantee you if OU makes another le game I won't be rooting for them, the big 12 i'm a Texas fan. How sad it must be to not have a team that can stand on it's own
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