are the spurs better without parker?

[gambit1990]

My point is that you're trying to use feelings and memory to assert that Parker is dominating the ball, while I actually have numbers to back up what I'm saying. A guy with a barely-above-average USG% is not really dominating the ball. Period.

USG% factors in field goals, free throws, turnovers. the complaint has nothing to do with those things

tp dominates the ball by over dribbling. a lot.

tony's not a natural pg. his speed/scoring use to made up for that. his over dribbling is bad because it lets the defense settle and makes our offense more predictable/stagnant, and on top of that he doesn't have great court vision.

[SASdynasty!]

TP is a fine placeholder as long as we accept that we're not going to win a ring with him starting any more.

In contrast, he'd be a great 6th man. But can we afford a 14m 6th man? And will his ego allow him to move to the bench? Oh, and who starts in his place? Spurs have an interesting couple of rebuilding years on the way.

Win a ring without him starting? Lol. We can't win a ring without him leading our team in points and assists throughout the regular season and playoffs. Good luck winning one without him even starting.

[SASdynasty!]

FYI..

Average Seconds Per Touch:
1. Reggie Jackson 5.99
2. Lillard 5.64
3. Paul 5.52
4. Westbrook 5.44
5. Rubio 5.3
6. Parker 5.16
7. Walker 5.15
8. Jennings 5.12
9. Frazier 5.05
10. Payne 5.02

Time of Poss(mins):
1. Lillard 8.4
2. Westbrook 8.2
3. Paul 8
4. Walker 7.8
5. Wall 7.7
6. Jackson 7.6
7. Rondo 7.5
8. Rubio 7
9. Conley 6.7
10. Lowry 6.5
16. Parker 5.9

Avg Dribble Per Touch:
1. Jackson 6.15
2. Joseph 5.74
3. Parker 5.71
4. Jennings 5.63
5. Lillard 5.59

He doesn't really dominate the ball that much in relation to the rest of the league, tbh..I agree he dominates too much in comparison to what his current ability warrants, but that's not really on Parker, it's on the lack of alternative playmakers on the Spurs roster..

Hey this forum doesn't need your stats. Just let them go on with their baseless narratives please. Ok thanks.

[Seventyniner]

He doesn't really dominate the ball that much in relation to the rest of the league, tbh..I agree he dominates too much in comparison to what his current ability warrants, but that's not really on Parker, it's on the lack of alternative playmakers on the Spurs roster..

Agreed. Glad you found the numbers for it. :
Where did you get them from?

[HarlemHeat37]

Agreed. Glad you found the numbers for it. :
Where did you get them from?

I have them in a database, but you can find them on SportsVU on NBA.com..they have a ton of interesting data..

[SpursforSix]

FYI..

Average Seconds Per Touch:
1. Reggie Jackson 5.99
2. Lillard 5.64
3. Paul 5.52
4. Westbrook 5.44
5. Rubio 5.3
6. Parker 5.16
7. Walker 5.15
8. Jennings 5.12
9. Frazier 5.05
10. Payne 5.02

Time of Poss(mins):
1. Lillard 8.4
2. Westbrook 8.2
3. Paul 8
4. Walker 7.8
5. Wall 7.7
6. Jackson 7.6
7. Rondo 7.5
8. Rubio 7
9. Conley 6.7
10. Lowry 6.5
16. Parker 5.9

Avg Dribble Per Touch:
1. Jackson 6.15
2. Joseph 5.74
3. Parker 5.71
4. Jennings 5.63
5. Lillard 5.59

He doesn't really dominate the ball that much in relation to the rest of the league, tbh..I agree he dominates too much in comparison to what his current ability warrants, but that's not really on Parker, it's on the lack of alternative playmakers on the Spurs roster..

Parker's numbers are skewed from all the times he bounces it off his foot or throws the ball out of bounds in the first seconds.

[Kyl3]

Just imagine if we had Kyrie...

[gambit1990]

spurs don't need an elite pg to win it all.

if we manage to swap tp for teague... spurstalk isn't ready for how good we would play.

[gambit1990]

you said:

Agreed.

to this posted by harlem:

He doesn't really dominate the ball that much in relation to the rest of the league, tbh..I agree he dominates too much in comparison to what his current ability warrants, but that's not really on Parker, it's on the lack of alternative playmakers on the Spurs roster..

which is exactly what you disagreed with me about:

i wish there was a metric for how long a player holds on to the ball.

tp dominating the ball is literally the opposite of good ball movement, obviously.

I also wish I could find that metric to prove that Parker isn't all that bad about holding the ball.

[SAGirl]

Just imagine if we had Kyrie...

He would take shots away from Kawhi. (and LMA)

[gambit1990]

remember in the second half of game 6 against okc when we went on that run... when we played like we deserved to advance?

parker got subbed with seven minutes left to go in the 3rd quarter and never returned.

guess who had 3 assists tonight. to go along with 2 turnovers.

miller had one more assist than parker in 13 less minutes had been saying i'd start him over parker. miller also had 0 turnovers.

had said this during the series:

parker doesn't create. would love to see andre miler the next game.

[Seventyniner]

which is exactly what you disagreed with me about:

You acted like Parker was the worst ballhog in the league the way you talked. He was average compared to the rest of the league.

He also "ballhogged" the Spurs into the 4th best offense in the league. You keep saying that if Parker had the ball less the Spurs would be better. Not only is there no way to know that, Parker would have to dip to below average usage to "dominate the ball" less.

[gambit1990]

You keep saying that if Parker had the ball less the Spurs would be better. Not only is there no way to know that, Parker would have to dip to below average usage to "dominate the ball" less.

the spurs finished the season 8-2 in games without parker. one of the losses was against okc without td, manu, kawhi, and lma. the other loss was against denver without kawhi and lma.

[gambit1990]

FYI..

Average Seconds Per Touch:
1. Reggie Jackson 5.99
2. Lillard 5.64
3. Paul 5.52
4. Westbrook 5.44
5. Rubio 5.3
6. Parker 5.16
7. Walker 5.15
8. Jennings 5.12
9. Frazier 5.05
10. Payne 5.02

Time of Poss(mins):
1. Lillard 8.4
2. Westbrook 8.2
3. Paul 8
4. Walker 7.8
5. Wall 7.7
6. Jackson 7.6
7. Rondo 7.5
8. Rubio 7
9. Conley 6.7
10. Lowry 6.5
16. Parker 5.9

Avg Dribble Per Touch:
1. Jackson 6.15
2. Joseph 5.74
3. Parker 5.71
4. Jennings 5.63
5. Lillard 5.59

He doesn't really dominate the ball that much in relation to the rest of the league, tbh..I agree he dominates too much in comparison to what his current ability warrants, but that's not really on Parker, it's on the lack of alternative playmakers on the Spurs roster..

those stats are skewed because when parker's on the court he's either dominating the ball or doing the exact opposite. tp has no middle ground.

would love to see a stat that shows tp's time of possession when the offense is run through him.

another thing to take into account when looking at those stats: the amount dribble handoffs the spurs do.

[pgardn]

So who does Gambit start in place of TP at point?

[gambit1990]

So who does Gambit start in place of TP at point?

i hate having to reply to the re s of spurstalk.

first let me preface this by saying i wanted to trade parker when he had trade value (january). posters against the idea were: nathan89, thegreat , brazil, steelpussythathangslikewizardsleeeve, that geisha cry havoc.

who would i start over parker? in no order: mills, murray, simmons.

i wish there were better options. i wanted to trade him for some. unlike you useless posters.

[pgardn]

i hate having to reply to the re s of spurstalk.

first let me preface this by saying i wanted to trade parker when he had trade value (january). posters against the idea were: nathan89, thegreat , brazil, steelpussythathangslikewizardsleeeve, that geisha cry havoc.

who would i start over parker? in no order: mills, murray, simmons.

i wish there were better options. i wanted to trade him for some. unlike you useless posters.

Fine.

He was not traded.

So you start Mills ahead of Parker which makes you a very tiny dildo. Simmons? Simmons! Holy heroine head...
You have not the slightest bit of knowledge concerning point guards.
There is no doubt Parker has regressed. But you are a total bottle-head in not being able to understand that at the moment we do NOT, I REPEAT NOT, have a better PG on the roster.

Stop bumping this post until we get one.

[gambit1990]

Fine.

He was not traded.

So you start Mills ahead of Parker which makes you a very tiny dildo. Simmons? Simmons! Holy heroine head...
You have not the slightest bit of knowledge concerning point guards.
There is no doubt Parker has regressed. But you are a total bottle-head in not being able to understand that at the moment we do NOT, I REPEAT NOT, have a better PG on the roster.

Stop bumping this post until we get one.

try not replying after i bump it you stupid .

[dabom]

try not replying after i bump it you stupid .

[LongtimeSpursFan]

i hate having to reply to the re s of spurstalk.

first let me preface this by saying i wanted to trade parker when he had trade value (january). posters against the idea were: nathan89, thegreat , brazil, steelpussythathangslikewizardsleeeve, that geisha cry havoc.

who would i start over parker? in no order: mills, murray, simmons.

i wish there were better options. i wanted to trade him for some. unlike you useless posters.

Mills, Murray and Simmons? A guy that Cant pass or defend, another that can't pass to right guy or ever payed a professional basketball game and a guy that is a 28 year old bench guy?! Damn you're a total dumb . Please do the world a favor and never have kids.

[gambit1990]

Mills, Murray and Simmons. Damn you're a total dumb . Please do the world a favor and never have kids.

your girl is too busy swallowing them.

[Clipper Nation]

Gambit putting in work ITT like Steve Kerr, Speedy Claxton, Beno Udrih, George Hill, Cory Joseph, and MVPatty Mills at the 1.

[gambit1990]

Gambit putting in work ITT like Steve Kerr, Speedy Claxton, Beno Udrih, George Hill, Cory Joseph, and MVPatty Mills at the 1.

so many posters talked so much . they all got owned tbh.

[TrainOfThought5]

TP is a fine placeholder as long as we accept that we're not going to win a ring with him starting any more.

In contrast, he'd be a great 6th man. But can we afford a 14m 6th man? And will his ego allow him to move to the bench? Oh, and who starts in his place?

Spurs have an interesting couple of rebuilding years on the way.

Can we afford a 14 million dollar 6th man???

Ive got good news and bad news.

[SASdynasty!]

Can we afford a 14 million dollar 6th man???

Ive got good news and bad news.

Hahaha it comes full circle