He could hit 3 pointers and 10 games into the season none of our shooters were shooting over 30%.
Your conjecture > fact thinking is massively flawed. I know you'll never abandon it because it's all you have.[/QUOTE]
Flawed? Leadbrain, I am not the one with flawed thinking...
LMAO...I'm not the one that brings old up when on the ropes...the Heal thing is not even a victory for you guys or something I have to backtrack from, I really don't understand why you guys bring it up like it is.
I was judging based on the way he was playing at the time...it's not like I said he was going to be good and he ended up sucking, I said he had the potential to fill the role we need...I saw what he was and felt he could do the role...at worst I wasn't proven wrong. You were.
You were proven wrong. Not me. We lost last year and it was due to perimeter choke.
HOF material.He could hit 3 pointers and 10 games into the season none of our shooters were shooting over 30%.You just did, idiot.LMAO...I'm not the one that brings old up when on the ropes.We lost because the Lakers were healthy.We lost last year and it was due to perimeter choke.
Please show me where I predicted a Spur championship. Yes you are again being called out because you are lying.
I said Heal couldn't play in the NBA. I was proven right.
Hmmm that's not what Phil Jackson wrote...and what happened in the first two games of the series, before Phil properly identified the chokers and forced them to beat us?
Oh, I don't doubt that you never predicted a le...much like you haven't this year.Please show me where I predicted a Spur championship.
That would require you getting off the fence...something you are notoriously "scurred" of doing.
No need to lie...you were wrong. You usually are.Yes you are again being called out because you are lying.
Heal could play in the NBA...in fact he did and we went @500% with him playing and with Duncan and Parker both injured.I said Heal couldn't play in the NBA. I was proven right.
He played in the NBA.
Pop let him go?
Proves exactly ...Pop also traded away Steve Kerr.
Then don't.No need to lie.Yeah, we kept Hart. That was smart.Heal could play in the NBA...in fact he did and we went @500% with him playing and with Duncan and Parker both injured.
Now, why did you go off on this tangent? Oh, yes -- to avoid the fact you don't think this will change the results of the Spurs season one bit. Still wondering why you are so indignant about the trade.
And 29 other teams watched him sail off to Greece.Pop let him go?
He was the missing piece everyone needed.
Hold on to the memories.
29 other teams also passed on Manu, nearly twice...
They did all pass on Brad Miller...twice.
Your point?
And I'd argue that 29 other teams had the same needs as the Spurs...29 other teams don't have Tim Duncan.
Clown, you are the one that brought up Heal...crackhead.
You first.Clown, you are the one that brought up Heal...crackhead.http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...&page=12&pp=26You'd best not...Hedo...Charlie.
ing hypocrite.
Are you really this demented?
You brought up Heal...how can you say otherwise?
Are you really this much of an idiot?
You started the tangent.
Let's get back to how the trade has no effect on the Spurs' season according to you.
Are you really this much of an idiot? The Heal tangent is totally different than the Hedo Ward tangent. The Heal Ward tangent puts you on the defensive...the Heal makes me laugh at pathetic attempts to put me on the defensive..
And furthermore...I didn't bring that tangent up in that thread you linked...I brougth it up in this thread in my initial post to you, only it wasn't a tangent, and it wasn't an attempt to get off the ropes...that post was the opening shot.....and that so called tangent was an example of your past flawed thinking...and reason to suspect that Mohammed will probably suck.
It definitely has an effect on the season...how can you say otherwise? We have a new key big that has to learn the system, that has to fit in on the team...who has to get used to winning lmao...Huge effect on the team...The only reason I am not willing to change my prediction is because this team is so strong...we could cut him and still be championship contenders. But it is going to be harder now....and I think the Knicks will be a better team now if they give Malik some PT. His no-quit at ude can have an impact on Marbury and the entire team.Let's get back to how the trade has no effect on the Spurs' season according to you.
It's so easy to forget all the times Malik has changed the course of a game with his style of play...he'll do it for the Knicks too if given the chance. I think he can change the entire at ude of their team. Winners can do that, and that's what Malik is.
You said the Spurs would win the same amount of games and the championship. What changed?It definitely has an effect on the season...how can you say otherwise?But winning championships with Kentucky is good enough. It was when you were jocking Mercer. Well, Nazr did it twice. Are you going to go back on that too?who has to get used to winning lmao.But we're going to win the same amount of games and the championship according to you. Why the ing?The only reason I am not willing to change my prediction is because this team is so strong...we could cut him and still be championship contenders. But it is going to be harder now.
Hmmm there is room for variance once we get above 65 wins. I don't expect him to have much of an impact in the regular season...but we might lose an extra playoff game because of it.
What changed?But winning championships with Kentucky is good enough. It was when you were jocking Mercer. Well, Nazr did it twice. Are you going to go back on that too?
I jocked Mercer out of desperation(just like Heal)...I didn't predict us to win a le last season...I predicted we wouldn't, because of our perimeter game...This season I did predict le and Malik was definitely a reason for that.
And NBA les are > than NCAA les....and the college game is different from the NBA.
It's like this...Winning College les is better than not winning anything anywhere, especially when you are trying to find shooters that won't choke in the post season...but it's not as good as winning an NBA le, at least not when you are trying to find players to win an NBA le.
I wasn't a big Mercer fan...but I seriously doubt he would have choked against LA like Hedo did. I wasn't a Heal fan either...unless my choices were him and Carter.
Withdrawl?But we're going to win the same amount of games and the championship according to you. Why the ing?
And we might lose more games in the playoffs...
If backpedaling were a sport, you'd have six yellow jerseys.
So after all this, the Spurs still win it all?
Isn't that the goal?
Thanks for summing up your nonargument a third time.
I haven't back pedaled on anything...I say one thing and you attibute something else to me...and you seriously believe what you say.
The goal of a trade should be to make it easier to win a le...So after all this, the Spurs still win it all?
Isn't that the goal?
Thanks for summing up your nonargument a third time.
How does giving up a championship experienced bigman for one that doesn't have any experience or familiarity with this team, with 20 something games left to go, make it easier for us to win a le, and don't say Shaq...We've won NBA les with Malik guarding Shaq.
It doesn't make it easier...it gives us a huge project down the stretch.
Even going entirely by stats...this guy is not that much of a superior player to Malik...and no way is he as experienced in this situation as Malik.
Last edited by whottt; 02-25-2005 at 03:50 AM.
Spurs improve. bottomline.
End of argument.
Wow what a deal!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is hard to see Malik Go. He is a good guy. But from a basketball perspective it was a good trade.
The Spurs have always kept things secretive and close to the cuff until they are ready to release to the media, they have a long history of it. One coach, Bob Bass, found out he'd been fired when he turned in a rental car at the Phoenix airport! The ticket agent told him. He had no inkling before that. John Lucas didn't know officially he was being let go until after the fact, either. So, their actions yesterday do not surprise
I am soooo sorry to see Malik leave. He ranks right up there with Sean Elliot, Avery Johnson, Stevie Kerr, and David Robinson with me. He's good people. And he's going to be missed, not just by the fans, but by the team. He will always be my #31.
Having said all that, I understand that NBA basketball, all professional sports really...is a business. First, last, and foremost. This is a good deal for the organization.
As much as Malik was and is loved, he had become a liability...if for no other reason, his on-again-off-again relationship with Coach Pop had to be detrimental to the team's phyche. And, poor Malik...can you imagine living like that? When trade talk regarding Malik started again a couple of weeks ago, I said, if I were Malik I would tell the Spurs, "You know what? Just trade me! Do it and get it over with." At least he does not have that threat hanging over his head any longer. He had to be tired of living with it.
Lastly...Good luck, Malik! We will always love you! Knock their socks off in New York! Get a double-double every time!
-pache
Hey Whottt and Chump, you guys have gone off on so many tangents that i am not following you 100 percent, but anyway this trade does not improve our team for at leats 15 games, Nazr Mohammad isn't Rasheed Wallace and he will have a lot of learning to do.
However it is possible he may end up as a valuble asset in the playoffs, i doubt it, i think he will be a bust and i think there will be a load of "i hate pop" thread floating around here, but anyway With Horry injured, wtf are we going to do for depth off the bench? In the short term, this is not going to be pretty.
if spur fans want to be mad at spurs for trading rose
it was DUNCAN who wanted rose to get the long term deal
Bump.
Nazr is making a lot of Spurs fans look stupid.
Because he sucks.
Just like all the Knicks the Spurs get.
Charlie Ward, Matt Carroll, Doc Rivers, Charles Smith, Monty Williams, Trent Tucker, Sidney Green.
They all sucked. Nazr is now carrying on that tradition.
Some of us don't have to backpedal because we nailed it on the first post:
And the second...
I was by far the harshest critic of this trade...I have to admit a certain weakness in swaying towards actually thinking this might be a good trade when I getting piled on by nearly the entire board at times and I was reading some scouting reports that got a little too happy...I should have stayed with my initial reaction...Lottery Scrub!
Anyway...thanks for bumping this thread TimVP...sometimes even I forget how truly damn good I am.
PS:Seen that Isiah Thomas thread lately?
Pop doesn't seem to agree with the uselessness of Nazr. He's been playing good D (3 blocks in last night game - game high) and been able to hold his own coming off the bench for Rasho. He seems to be able to provide offense when Rasho's shot isn't going down.
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