The lazy tag may not be justified. Put him on the spurs and I'm sure he would work harder on the defensive end because he knows thats a big requirement to Pop.
My only interest in regards to another big is a shot blocker. Thomas's game has come around and he and Bonner can provide everything we need of the post position except shot blocking. When teams are attacking the basket we need another big who can send the ball the other way or at least alter the shot. The ability to score is not an issue as we have plenty of scoring options. Collison does not fit the need.
(sure, it would be very nice to get Camby, but whenever the Clippers put him on the market, they will get 5 better offers than whatever we can give them.)
if they get Collison, they upgrade interior defense, low block scoring and rebounding, especially offensive rebounding. it wouldn't be a huge step, but it would be a significant upgrade.
Nick collison would be a huge step up from the other 6'10 players on the team but still. come on! I rather hold out like others had mentioned for a 7 footer that can block shots and just get in the way. Regardless of his offensive game. How many 6'10 white guys do we need. COME ON! this better be just a rumor
Yea lets trade Parker who helped us win 3 championships and was finals mvp in 07. Some spurs fans=Crack monkeys
Who's pretending we can beat the Lakers in 7 games? We all know we need another big, we just don't think Hill for Marcin fucking Gortat is the answer. Nor is trading Tony Parker for a bunch of maybe.
Stop panicking in January like someone who doesn't know the Spurs - you've been here long enough to know better.
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So tell me what is the answer? We won't get a damn thing for Vaughn, Udoka or Oberto. And trading one of the big three definitely isn't the answer.Who's pretending we can beat the Lakers in 7 games? We all know we need another big, we just don't think Hill for Marcin fucking Gortat is the answer. Nor is trading Tony Parker for a bunch of maybe.
I've never been the kind of fan that panicks after a regular season loss, but I always try to say what I trully think. And right now I think we have no chance of getting past the Lakers in the PO, but I also think that we're one decent big man away of having a fair chance of doing so. That's why I proposed that trade.Stop panicking in January like someone who doesn't know the Spurs - you've been here long enough to know better
As for Gortat, he's a solid player, but he's no Bynum-stopper, and if you are talking Lakers, that's what you're describing. And you still haven't convinced me why Orlando would give up their first big off the bench who they like and is earning 700k.
(2) I don't have the answer, except to say that I think Pop is playing CIA games with Mahinmi and that he will just appear fit and healthy one day soon and start playing. If not him, a salary dump trade at the deadline for someone.
(3) Just about every year things look bleak some time between Christmas and the start of March. And for each of the last 6 years the Spurs have gone deep in the playoffs despite the apparent mid-season gloom. trust in the FO and the team is all I can say - they have proven that they know what they're doing.
Defensively, Collison is no better than Oberto, let alone Kurt Thomas. Too slow-footed, not a strong post defender, lacks awareness.
The Spurs simply need to seek to add a complmentary, reserve big, who can defend, rebound, and is a threat to score down low. I know that's a tall order because practically every team in the NBA needs such a player and the Spurs have litttle to no trade assets. A tall order, but not an impossible one. Collison isn't the ideal fit, but if he is the best they can get come the trade deadline, I'll take him. It's the frontline where there is the biggest deficiency right now. In order for the Spurs to improve their chances of advancing in the West, Tim desparately needs help.
yes, Collison is a similar player to Fab, there is a reason why many think he will fit well.
but at this point he is a huge upgrade over Fab. younger, stronger, can leap a bit, better 15 footer. nice upgrade on defense and significant upgrade on offense.
any trade package for Collison will likely include Fab and his cap friendly contract anyhow, so it would be replacing Fab with a similar but younger and better player. that's a nice improvement in my books.
About Collison- So when and if its official when will we know?
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about size and smarts. he does have exactly the same size like Fab and is stronger. Collison measured 6'9'' without and 6'10'' in shoes. unlike many white bigs he also displays an above average wingspan at 7'1 1/2'' and a very good standing reach of 9'. combined with a better leaping ability than Fab (who can't leap at all, as we know) he plays significantly bigger than Fab.
(there is a reason why he averages 3 more rebounds per 40 minutes than Fab)
smarts? Collison is pretty smart. look out that this would become even more obvious if he got the chance to play for the Spurs.
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -Michael Jordan
Collison -the mere existence of whom I totally and proudly ignored untill I quickly read the first page of this thread- would be #10, 11 or 12 on the rotation.
Could anyone PLEASE remind me the last time when a #10, 11, 12 of any team rotation has contributed to a Conference or NBA final?
Other than for a couple of jokes while in the shower?
I highly doubt we acquire anybody of this talent..
we're most likely going to ride with Oberto and Mahinmi, and honestly, I have no problem with that..the fact that they haven't made any noise tells me that they're happy with what Ian is currently showing, and they believe he can contribute this year..
I'm in the minority here, but I believe we can definitely win a title this year with the current 15-man roster we have..I don't think we need to add anybody, I think we need to just improve as a team defensively and in terms of effort..
regarding Collison..I don't really see how he improves our team significantly..it's not worth putting up with his contract..
I would agree, but I haven't really taken any of the "rumors" seriously..we hear Spurs rumors every year, and there usually isn't a big move..we're always the first team people mention in regards to any veteran addition..
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