I understand the logic of your point, but I would much rather have the 8M in cap space than have Calderon and I'd hate to give up even the remote possibility of landing a major free agent for him. (Full disclosure- I've been arguing against any acquisition of Calderon for years before you started posting, so I am biased against the guy)
Would Cojo re-sign affect space to sign Green?
In practical terms, there's no way that the Spurs will risk losing Green in order to keep Joseph.
In terms of the rules, it depends. If the Spurs use cap space to sign a free agent, then they'll have to fit all their resigning players under the salary cap, with only the room exception and vet minimum exception available to exceed the cap. So every dollar spent on one player is a dollar that can't be spent on another. If, however, the Spurs do not use cap space to sign a free agent, then they'll have the MLE and BAE for free agent signings and they can use Bird Rights to bring their own players back while exceeding the salary cap.
So a raise for not-Parker and not-Mills point guard doesn't really affect a raise for Green, as much as it affects what free agents could replace Ayers, Bonner, Baynes, and maybe Timmy?
Green only has a $7.5m cap hold so his contract is unlikely to be a factor in holding us back if Tim and Manu retire. Also it's very tough to predict what will happen to the cap over the next couple of years. Including roster cap holds we've got $51m committed going in to next summer, we won't have a 10 year vet max but if the final cap figure trends towards $70m we will be close enough to Gasol or Aldridge's max to be in the conversation.
i think you're probably right. but that's so wierd. the spurs can afford to jettison a contributor for a friendly contract dice roll. i'd expect the celtics and twolves to be looking for home town discount, championship caliber contributors.
for the purpose of simplicity, i use home town discount very loosely. the player may not necessarily be playing at home, but close to or with stars/potential stars from home.
Victor Claver available. Could be had for a 1-1 swap for either Daye or Ayres (doubt they want their own garbage though). Has bad overall career stats compared to Daye, but the same was said of Casspi, and the latter has been performing better than the former.
Looks like Draymond Green could be getting $10m+ in the summer, if the Warriors pay him then they'll end up with a huge luxury tax bill.
If the Warriors need to get rid of Lee we could absorb his contract in the summer. What would we be willing to give up for him? If Timmy retires a first rounder is probably too valuable to give up, but if Timmy wants to come back and therefore we don't have the space for a max player I'd consider Lee for a pick that will likely be #28-30
But, but... we already have a better player than Lee in the form of Boris Diaw.
Would much rather sign O'Quinn and another player or two than give up a first for Lee, Tim or no Tim.
i'd rather the spurs just go for Draymond in free agency.
also, this.I like Draymond a lot, but in no way is he in a similar position to Harden's a couple of years ago. He's in line to get less than the MLE unless a team is stupid. In any event, the Warriors aren't really capped out. They're projected to be under the cap the year Green becomes an RFA. They'd definitely be able to keep him and stay under the tax unless they hand out a big contract to anyone besides Thompson. It's not impossible for Green to go to another team, but it wouldn't be because Golden State can't afford him.
I don't think Green's going anywhere. If he does, it'll be because Klay got $17 Million a year.
If they want that player, they have him in Europe already. His name is DeShaun Thomas. He can shoot and score, but he's too short to play the 4 and too chunky and immobile to check wing players. They're twin sons from different mothers.
One thing that you need to understand, though. There are players who get rotation minutes, or even start for other teams that could never play for the Popovich Spurs. Draymond is one of them. He makes Beli look like Bowen on D.
Under the cap? You need to check again, they have $81m committed to players next year not including Draymonds contract. Lets say they bring back Speights (the only team option, $3.8m) and Draymond gets $9m (and I wouldn't be surprised if he got more), that puts them at $90m.
Assuming the tax starts around $80m, they'd be liable for $16.25m in tax, meaning their roster costs them $106m. Draymond Green effectively becomes a $26m player which is crazy, they will either let him go or trade Lee/Iggy so they get back under the tax.
Another alternative might be giving up a first for Iguodala, who I'd prefer over Lee. Again there would be a worry about shot blocking as we'd play a lot of minutes very small.
Last edited by Richie; 12-05-2014 at 04:49 AM.
O'Quinn is a restricted free agent, there's no way we could get him away from the Magic for anything approaching good value. Also, we'd have to commit to him for 4 years, losing any hope of cap space in the future.
I like O'Quinn, and I agree I'm not sure I'd want to give up a first for David Lee, but I'd rather have Lee for $15m/1yr than O'Quinn for the $50m/4yr it'd take for the Magic not to match.
Draymond has a great defensive reputation. I don't know where you're getting the idea he's a liability on D.
Exstatic, do you play in any nba fantasy leagues?
In Pitino and Izzo products, I trust. I still swear by Siva. If the spurs bring him in over the summer instead of Cotton, Cojo would be George Hill trade 2.0
Nope. I don't care about fantasy sports. They have little connection with championship sports play, and downplay or ignore defense, other than counting steals and blocks.
Context is important. First, that post Lab quoted is months old. Secobd, by the context, it should be clear that I meant "over" and mistyped.
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