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You mean the team that has the third oldest player in the league playing ahead of a rookie that was stashed in Europe for five years, as well as the oldest player in the league playing ahead of their rookie first round draft pick?
realistically, i can't believe Simmons is actually breaking through Pop's youth wall. I seriously can hardly stomach lame rocking the 12 jersey. i hate the spurs now. but i watch games like OKC, Portland, Atl, and i'm really excited for the Minny games coming up. From what i've seen, Pop won't be able to crotchety old man Simmons behind butler. i doubt there'll be any spurs trade this season. but i could totally see a Theo Ratliff style deal go down to ditch Butler. And i'm always optimistic about Bonner to Boston.
You mean the team that has the third oldest player in the league playing ahead of a rookie that was stashed in Europe for five years, as well as the oldest player in the league playing ahead of their rookie first round draft pick?
do you think i'm being hypocritical, or what?
it's one thing to be loyal to Timmy and KG. I even respect McDyess and Prince types getting theirs. I'll confess that i don't want a single minute of Andre Miller when Tyus Jones could be putting on his best Curry impression.
ing around with Bjelica is kinda before my Timberwolves time. Seems more like a Love/Timberwolves move than a Wiggins/Timberwolves move. I'm willing to take the hypocritical charge. I'm just glad Bjelica doesn't seem to be getting the rookie Splitter treatment. The Wolves actually do play him and seem to like him. There's no turd towers business going on there.
This would be a fantastic trade for us. I really don't see a good reason for the kings to do this trade though. We would have to throw in a 1st or a couple 2nds I would imagine. I think Mclemore would thrive in our system though and has a ton of upside.
They wont take that trade
McLemore was getting benched in favor of none other former Spurs James Anderson a couple of week ago. Some folks in the local media were calling him a bust b/c he looked lost to start the season. Besides, he isn't necessarily a better overall player than Kyle, he's just a better shooter & more athletic. He's no better than Terrence Ross right now, tbh.
McLemore isn't worth throwing in anything more than a single 2nd rd pick. Dude isn't that much better than a decent late 1st rd pick let alone Fathead AND a late 1st. OKC traded Jeremy Lamb for Luke Ridnour (who is no longer in the league) and a 2016 second-round draft pick. Is McLemore a better player than Lamb?
Mainly because it's not possible under the CBA.
If by a couple of weeks you mean more than 5 weeks ago. It was a 6 game stretch in which McLemore played more minutes than Anderson in 4 of the 6 games. Anderson has played about 25 total minutes since that 6 game experiment.
As Chuck would, that's just turrible. The Lamb trade was a salary dump, plain and simple. The completely unguaranteed contract of Luke Ridnour was on the books of five different teams in less than a week at the end of June. The last team to hold his rights waived him before any money became guaranteed.
Then there's this:
Oh sorry im no expert on that one. I just think its delusional even for spursfan standard
It depends on the value of the 1st. As underwhelming as he's been and limited as he appears, there's still a better chance of him being a long term rotation player than a 27th-29th pick, even if the Spurs having said pick is different than the vast majority.
What incentive would the Kings have to trade him for Anderson and Butler? As poorly as they're run, it's difficult to imagine them even considering a move unless the Spurs' 1st was attached to Anderson.
Too many are too in love with late 1st round picks. Obviously, you don't hand it away, but this is about winning now and if they can pry a young wing, on an affordable contract, who they think has more upside than they've shown with their current team and would be a fit on this team, then it makes sense.
The Spurs are a small market team & not the most desirable destination for young players thus the PATFO can't afford handing out 1st rd picks on a multi year rookie contracts when average players are demanding 10+ mill b/c of the new CBA.
Look at OKC, they gave up Jeremy Lamb & Perry Jones for next to nothing then had to overpay Kanter & trot out Roberson as their starting wing b/c Singler is the other option. Even the Clippers have no depth b/c they mortgaged off their picks & can't even execute trade without giving up a top rotation player b/c they have nothing else to offer. You can bait a rebuilding team like the Nets who have no 1st rd picks until 2019 to give up a proven vet such as Thad Young (as opposed to an unproven young player) by offering them Kyle or a future 1st rd pick. You can't be offering two 1st rd picks for an unproven player like McLemore, if Simmons can hit the corner 3 at a 40% rate then McLemore might not even be a need. Will Barton has turned out to be better than McLemore & Simmons game is similar to Barton's.
Kyle is a rotation player in the NBA but he's currently redundant b/c of Boris & not as valuable as he would be on other teams b/c he plays behind Kawhi along w/ the emergence of Simmons. I was intrigued by McLemore b/c of Manu's eminent retirement & the lack of shooters coming off the bench (hard to play Kyle/Simmons together b/c neither one is a shooter). Allen Crabbe is getting major playing time w/ the Blazers but he isn't better than Kyle based on college, rookie season & this past summer league.
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There's no evidence to suggest that they're not a desirable destination for young players, nor should they not be, given that they've proven to be the best in the business at developing young players.The Spurs are a small market team & not the most desirable destination for young players thus the PATFO can't afford handing out 1st rd picks on a multi year rookie contracts when average players are demanding 10+ mill b/c of the new CBA.
Look at OKC, they gave up Jeremy Lamb & Perry Jones for next to nothing then had to overpay Kanter & trot out Roberson as their starting wing b/c Singler is the other option
Kyle is a rotation player in the NBA but he's currently redundant b/c of Boris & not as valuable as he would be on other teams b/c he plays behind Kawhi along w/ the emergence of Simmons. I was intrigued by McLemore b/c of Manu's eminent retirement & the lack of shooters coming off the bench (hard to play Kyle/Simmons together b/c neither one is a shooter).
The wings that have been mentioned (Covington, Bogdanovic, McLemore) are all young and range from relatively inexpensive to extremely inexpensive, for multi-years. The Spurs can absolutely afford to give up a 1st for that type.
Add one of them to Anderson, Simmons, Marjanovic, Milutinov, Bertans, Jean-Charles and every other pick going forward, in the pipeline. It's not exactly a future dynasty, but they should be able to develop some into back end rotation players, which is all that's needed, as the majority of the rotation should remain intact.
My retort was about giving up Fathead AND a 1st for McLemore as YOU originally stated. Can't add them to Kyle if he is no long on the roster.
You can't have Marco/Casspi playing more minutes than your lotto pick when you are a lotto team nor bench him after the 1st week for a bench warmer like James Anderson just b/c he's struggling, he's supposed to learn on the job & it won't cost you a championship.If by a couple of weeks you mean more than 5 weeks ago. It was a 6 game stretch in which McLemore played more minutes than Anderson in 4 of the 6 games. Anderson has played about 25 total minutes since that 6 game experiment.
Yes you in' dumbass, they "dumped" Lamb's salary to only give Kyle Singler a 5yr/25 million contract. Singler currently has the worst PER in NBA History!As Chuck would, that's just turrible. The Lamb trade was a salary dump, plain and simple. The completely unguaranteed contract of Luke Ridnour was on the books of five different teams in less than a week at the end of June. The last team to hold his rights waived him before any money became guaranteed.Meanwhile Lamb currently has the 4th best PER amongst shooting guards. We are talking about the same franchise that just offered Dion Butters a multi year contract extension this summer (fortunately for them he turned it down b/c he wanted to bet on his scrubby talents, what a character guy w/ a championship pedigree
I wasn't talking specifically about McLemore. As I've said, I don't believe they'll trade Anderson, but even in the highly unlikely event they did and added a 1st to him, they'd still have enough young assets leftover in the pipeline to likely develop a few back end rotation players.
It doesn't make sense to trade for a young player midseason since Pop ain't going to trust him unless he has been through training camp. I made the suggestion in another post that a Kyle for McLemore swap be considering next summer if Kyle doesn't earn Pop's trust & the Kings put McLemore on the trading blocks like Stauskus.
Just ing around with the trade machine, but who says no to this? http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jy5b4bz
Anderson/Simmons are young themselves though. Sure, they've been through a training camp (2 in Anderson's case), but if they acquire what they deem to be a marked upgrade, they're not going to care enough about that to not play them.
Basically depends on whether the Nets want to take a chance on Rose or just clear their cap at the end of the season. We are talking about the same team that paid Deron Williams to START for the Mavs
Last edited by Kawhitstorm; 12-23-2015 at 01:10 AM.
Wow. Lots of juvenile language and emoticons that don't address the faults in your previous posts.You can't have Marco/Casspi playing more minutes than your lotto pick when you are a lotto team nor bench him after the 1st week for a bench warmer like James Anderson just b/c he's struggling, he's supposed to learn on the job & it won't cost you a championship.
Yes you in' dumbass, they "dumped" Lamb's salary to only give Kyle Singler a 5yr/25 million contract. Singler currently has the worst PER in NBA History!
Conley >>>> Rose, no question. Getting rid of Rose clears up quite a bit of cap room for them in the summer. And Gasol's performance this year just makes things awkward for the frontcourt. You have to play him because of his numbers, but he's playing god awful defense and taking up space on the floor that limits Noah's performance. You also have to play Mirotic with Gasol cause he best complements Pau's game, but he's pretty overrated and hasn't made any leap of progress this year. Having Randolph can give Noah the space around the rim he needs and may work out even better than Gasol. They need to give Bobby Portis minutes as well. Guy has been awesome in his limited minutes. Also, Butler is easily their best player.
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