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Odd timing....Why post this now? Did he just pop into your mind or have you heard something?
Ryan Gomes | F
Born: Sep 1, 1982
Height: 6-7 / 2,01
Weight: 245 lbs. / 111,1 kg.
College: Providence
Years Pro: 4
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Last edited by Bruno; 08-25-2012 at 02:50 PM.
Odd timing....Why post this now? Did he just pop into your mind or have you heard something?
wolves probably arent interested in moving him. gomes seems to be a part of at least their short-term future. we probably wouldnt be offering what it would take to entice the wolves, nor would i be willing to overpay for what we really dont need.
I heard nothing special and I'm not even sure he is on the trading block.
I really wanted him last summer and with the Rubio story, his name pop up in my mind again. I think he could help Spurs so I wanted to know what other posters think about him.
Ahh, ok, got ya.
I have always liked Gomes and he is a nice scorer and has good size. He would be great, but I do not see why they would trade him.
He gives them over 10 PPG (sometimes he has bursts of 20+) and he is very, very cheap and his contract is largely not guaranteed.
I also really wanted Rashad McCants when he was with Minny as well.
Gomes would be almost the perfect back up SF, plus he is still pretty young.
It would be excellent to bring Hill, Manu, Gomes off of the bench.
I like him. What would it take to get him?
The only way I'd trade for anyone at this point is if they will be able to crack the playoff "7-9" man rotation whenever a decisive game 5 is at stake.
In this case I'd send Bonner and a pick for Gomes if possible.
I don't know why they would trade him. He is one of their top 3 scorers and he makes under 4M a year.
Also, his contract next year and the year after is only partially guaranteed. They probably don't want Hill because they drafted many PG's this year. Maybe Ian or Tiago would interest them and they could be packaged with Bonner or Finley. But I do not see it to be honest.
I agree.
Gomes contract becomes fully guaranteed next July. If Wolves plains to cut him before that to save money, trading him before the trade deadline for expiring contracts is significantly better. So Gomes contract being not fully guaranteed is quite meaningless.
It would make sense for Wolves to keep Gomes but their new GM has done a lot of surprising moves this summer. Maybe Gomes isn't also in his plans.
"Ryan Gomes: Signed a three year minimum salary contract in August 2005. Qualifying offer extended in June 2008. Re-signed for 5 years and $21.175 million in July 2008. Contract contains incentives currently listed as likely that boost the contract's value by $150,000 a year. Third and fourth years are $1 million guaranteed only, final year $750,000 guaranteed only. All three years become fully guaranteed if Gomes is not waived before June 30th 2010."
Bruno, so what is the point of giving him a partially guaranteed contract for multiple years if they all become guaranteed in 2010? Makes no sense to me. I cannot remember another contract like that. Could you explain?
But anyways, if they trade him for an expiring, it saves them the 1 million buyout next year, correct? Maybe a little more if they trade for a player that makes slightly less than his salary this year, but falls within the trade guidelines? Or am I missing something?
Beyond all that, I have not seen anything to suggest Gomes not being kept, even though there are some strange moves being made.
No, it makes sense.
This salary is structured with the 2010 free agency class in mind.
If Gomes sucks and/or if Wolves want to free up cap space, they can cut him and he will only take $1M in capspace. James Jones with Miami and Najera with Nets have also that kind of contracts.
If they trade him for an expiring contract, it will save them $2.75M compared to waiving him before July 2010.
Oh I see, so the total value of the contract is partially guaranteed. So if they waive him, he gets:
1M from next year, 1M from the year after, and 750K from the last year.
But why not just make that 2.75M the partial guarantee for next year instead of spreading it out? Or do they get to pay the money owed in each separate year?
After further review of the Wolves roster and cap situation, one could look at it like this.
If the Wolves thought they could lure a big FA or a couple good ones, and that was their plan:
They have about 10M in team options (Kevin Love, Corey Brewer & Pecherov). You would assume Love is a lock, but if Brewer does not respond from the injury they could let go of him and Pecherov (shedding 6M of their payroll).
If they also traded Gomes for an expiring, he would only count 1M against the cap next year.
That would be a max of ~38M - 7M bringing their payroll to about 31M next year if my math on Gomes is correct.
Looking at that, they could want to move Gomes, but he is still a cheap option to fill out the roster for them even if they keep him.
Last edited by DPG21920; 09-02-2009 at 07:22 PM.
Yes.
The payment of the money and the salary cap hit are unrelated. Finley will get Money fro Cuban over something like a 20 years period.
They spread it to create as much cap space as possible if they waive him. By spreading it, they create $1.75M more for the 2010 free agent market.
So for salary cap reasons, only the money owed from that in a particular year is what counts against the cap, correct.
I don't know what you want but to explain it simply :
When a player is under contract, the money given to him per year is almost always equal to his salary cap amount. I said almsot because there are signing bonuses and trade kickers for certains players.
When a player is waived, the money given to him per year isn't related to his salary cap amount. There are clauses saying in his contract how the money should be paid.
I was trying to figure out the Wolves cap space next year if they traded Gomes and let Brewer and Pecherov go.
This was the quote throwing me off. Because if he was waived and the payments did not effect the cap space, why would spreading it out matter.The payment of the money and the salary cap hit are unrelated. Finley will get Money fro Cuban over something like a 20 years period.
They spread it to create as much cap space as possible if they waive him. By spreading it, they create $1.75M more for the 2010 free agent market.
By saying they save 1.75 next year in space, leads me to believe that the money owed to Gomes (1M) next year would count against the cap. Like I said above.
Well you can calculate it:
Jefferson: $13M
Songaila: $4.8M
Love: $3.6M
Flynn: $3.2M
Hollins: $2.3M
Ellington: $1.1M
Rights to Rubio: $2.8M
Minny 2010 first round pick: ? (let's say $2M)
4 cap holds: $1.9M
So it's $34.7M.
The 10-11 salary cap has been projected between $50.4M and $53.6M. So Wolves will be between $16.7M and $19.9M bellow the cap.
I was forgetting to calculate Rubio and their other first round pick in.
Still don't know if they would trade Gomes. It would all be speculation based on what we think Minny wants to do with 2010. It would probably depend on how Gomes does this year as well and the team in general.
If Gomes is waived before July 2010, he will get $2.75M by Minny.
Now there are two questions:
- When will he get the money.
- How these $2.75M will count against the cap.
Answers to both questions aren't related.
The $2.75M will count for $1M in 10-11, $1M in 11-12 and $750K in 12-13. Gomes contract could have been "if he is waived before July 2010, 10-11 is $2.75M guaranteed and the rest is fully unguaranteed". If Gomes contract was that, it would have counted for $2.75M against the cap in 10-11 and Wolves would have had $1.75M less in cap space for the 2010 summer.
The $2.75M will be paid to Gomes according to a clause in his contract. As example, it could be $250K per year during 11 years.
Got it ?
Yes, that is what I said after you explained it.
What I meant when I said this was that since his contract stated he would be owed 1M next year if waived, that would be the cap hit. Then the next year would be the same and so forth...So for salary cap reasons, only the money owed from that in a particular year is what counts against the cap, correct.
I was not worried so much about when he was paid, but how much each year would count against the cap. So the amount he is "owed" in each year from his contract is what counts against the cap, even though he might not get paid that amount during the year.
That is why spreading it out saved them money against the cap. Got it
My initial math was correct, but I forgot to add Rubio+Next Years Pick.
Last edited by DPG21920; 09-02-2009 at 07:23 PM.
Bruno, Finley+Williams for Gomes works.
Not only would they save 2.75M from Gomes in 2011, but they could cut Williams to save an additional amount next year. How much is Williams guaranteed and by when, it does not say in shamsports.
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