The U.S.A. ain't got diddly squat on Russia, Winester.
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No supply for you, Dale. I advise you to go to a senior center and try to get laid as opposed to the nonstop posting for attention.
I'll answer this-a-way, via "Sgt. Al Powell" -Die Hard-..."No, sir, you couldn't drag me away."
The thing is, under exquisite duress, people will confess to anything. The ticking time bomb scenario with a perp or associate already in custody is quite rare. We detained a bunch of people who knew nothing valuable or were turned in by unscrupulous people to collect bounties.
GWB and Obama released like 75% percent of the Gitmo detainees without any charges.
Which is exactly the issue with fishing. People will make up just to make the torture stop which is not only immoral and illegal but also counter productive.
Something like this needs transparent oversight and given the nature of the NSA and intelligence apparatus that is impossible. The only sensible option is to just shut it all down.
Well, you've obviously got Trump on-the-spot as far as [[[under exquisite duress.]]] Day 1 of his Presidency they threatened to blow up the White House as he, his wife and their only child tried to move in. tee, hee.
Bet he don't [[[confess]]], Winester.
Obama failed to deliver on this promise, and the torture continued. I heartily agree it should all be shut down. Even though we forfeit prestige and our good reputation for giving bad guys a fair shake -- impartial justice. The black eye isn't going away.
, we're still sporting it proudly.
Last edited by Winehole23; 08-27-2023 at 02:51 AM.
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Gitmo military commissions have convicted one guy by trial in 20 years.
We probably would have convicted more bad guys the regular way, but no, we preferred a lawless torture gulag for people we rounded up higgeldy-piggeldy to sate the national appe e for vengeance and blood.
CC, DarrinS, DMC and many other board conservatives were fully on board the whole way and probably still are.
...Sure, absolutely till you included President Trump to the torture and multiple threats on his life.
Sure, absolutely, Hussein ("and the torture continued")...Hussein even murdered Bin Laden on spec. Damn well better hope Bin did it, otherwise when God opens Hussein's Book he ain't a gonna be able to place the race card then...
the way that he responded made it clear to me that someone from the NSA or CIA convinced him otherwise. It became a double whammy of going back on that promise and his promise of transparency.
He is a Chicago politician so I was not particularly surprised. I don't think I have ever been so happy to vote third party as when he was running.
Then you pulled the lever for Hussein anyway, just in case.
US torture of detainees undermines the effort to bring alleged 9/11 plotters to justice.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/01/u...-11-trial.htmlLawyers for Mr. Mohammed and the other defendants want the judge to exclude from their death-penalty trial, scheduled to start in January 2021, what they told F.B.I. agents in early 2007, months after they got to Guantánamo. The defense lawyers say those interrogations — carried out by what prosecutors say were “clean teams” from the F.B.I. who were unfamiliar with evidence unlawfully obtained from the defendants during the years they were in C.I.A. custody and subject to torture — were in fact tainted by years of clandestine C.I.A.-F.B.I. collaboration.
The defense lawyers argue that the prisoners provided the same answers to F.B.I. agents in 2007 that they had previously given to the C.I.A. at black sites where they were punished for not cooperating, and did not believe, based on conditions at Guantánamo, that they had free choice to refuse.
it's probably a selling point for many board conservatives, but torture rendered an accused 9/11 plotter unfit for trial
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