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Govt sure runs the educational system like a well oiled machine. Just wait until they get their mitts on our medical system.
Yay!
It seems to me, rjv, that where we differ is mainly in the role of scientific/bureaucratic management. Your solutions seem to presuppose it; my own identify it as one of the main problems. For me, the solution consists not in fixing the bureaucracy, but instead abolishing it wherever possible, and returning control to schools and communities.
Last edited by Winehole23; 12-01-2009 at 06:08 PM.
Govt sure runs the educational system like a well oiled machine. Just wait until they get their mitts on our medical system.
Yay!
Maybe mandatory birth control is the answer.
Liberals like telling others how to live, why not here as well? Tell people that if they cannot raise a kid in a proper setting that they cannot have kids.
I personally think too many kids today are being raised outside of a family, and financial means, and I consider that Child Abuse.
The schools really suck today. They were once a proud ins ution, but today, two major corrupting factors are involved. The Department of Education, and unions. Teachers are now all paid the same as the lowest common denominator, and cannot deviate outside of too many rules. Good teachers can no longer be good teachers, and too many who should be fired are protected by the unions.
The communities used to teach as needed. They can no longer do that under the current bureaucracies.
says the welfare union member.
So are you upset when people get off welfare? Is that not part of the plan? Someone who was never on welfare has no business talking about it IMO.
Last edited by spursncowboys; 12-01-2009 at 10:17 PM.
That's Jacks 'ultimate solution' to everything...
Advancement should be based on demonstrated mastery of curriculum, rather than being age based. Some students can do it faster than others; let them. Some take a little bit longer; so long as the student is not excessively atrasado, that is no problem either.
..actually, there is a big problem...you can't have 13, 14, 15 year old thugs, those are the regular failures, with 11 and 12 year olds....they will bully, they will corrupt, they will poison the classroom..retainees should be pulled out from the regular classroom and be put under one teacher system like in elementary..
The tougher the requirements the higher the pay, so if your expecting teachers to be 'highly qualified' your talking a starting salary well above 50K/year and probably closer to 100K/year after a few years.....school budgets can't accommodate that no matter what you think about administrator pay.... which I don't think is a problem at all....administrators make their money...if there is a problem in public schools its all the specialist that are needed to meet the needs of every student under no child left behind...Requirements for teachers ought to be very, very high, and their ap ude for teaching should be carefully evaluated. In order to attract highly qualified, highly motivated teachers, their pay should be correspondingly high. This money can come from what we currently give to our largely unnecessary, overpaid school administrators.
...also, not everybody is made to teach...if you are that educated to teach, you are sought after for other areas of private business...and its much easier to make 50K+ being a trainer, or manager that it is to be a teacher, so turn-over is very high....if fact, teaching can be a very good ladder to a bigger career and that's what many people do...
He's just a ing asshole and should be kicked off for his constant harassment.
He claims I'm a welfare recipient because my mother took food stamps for about 3 months when my parents divorced. She found employment, and got off.
I'm a union member not by choice. Some jobs you have to join to work. It's worse than a poll tax.
He gets so pathetic at times, crying about spilled milk.
Hey Clam... Go cry to your mommy.
Perhaps if private money took as much pride in secondary ed as it does universities and endowed it accordingly, there'd be more money for teachers. Just a thought.
I couldn't agree more. One-size-fits-all federalization of standards is a bad idea.
Entrance exams and curriculum based -- as opposed to age-grade -- promotion would weed out the *retainees*.
Why is lower education mandatory?
A basic level of literacy and numeracy is required for self-sufficiency in an advanced society.
Primary education is a social must; secondary ed and college should be reserved for anyone with proven (or otherwise compelling) ap ude. IMHO.
why don't you take your complaints to the owners of spurstalk.
you were happy when soldiers that complained about the war were killed.
remember?
you want to shoot women and their children if crossing the border.
remember?
you are only here because of us.
remember?
you spend all your money on a named amanda.
remember?
you stalk women on the internet.
remember?
i could never fully realize why noam chomsky considered himself an anarchist. i mean here is this political dissident who constantly asks the government to be more engaged in social reform. until i realized that, conservative or liberal, if you really wanted to get the point of absolute reform and change you would have to do so incrementally. the financial impetus would have to be initially sprung up from the government. in time one would hope that communities would then get control.
just a question out of curiosity. where do the kids that do not get entrance into secondary education go ?
it is not the answer because it is impossible. how do you get hundreds of thousands of girls on the pill? how do you monitor them? how do you pay for it? how do you deal with the potential side effects ? who treats the side effects? who handles the class action suits ?
it is a preposterous notion.
would real conservatives who are really opposed to any sort of government control really advocate the most ultimate form of control? that of our own or our children's bodies ?
My mom was on welfare a few times in her life. It helped me to see the fallacies behind it. Most of my friends from school are on it and have become slaves to it because they don't want to lose this magical free money. It's immoral to do that to people IMO.
I like it. And when mandatory birth control fails, mandatory abortions. That will show those libs.
Presumably, that's what the vocational track is for. Train kids for a trade or get them apprenticeships. The goal should be that every child has a high school diploma(or a college degree) OR a viable trade by age 18. The kids who can't hack it in schools and vo-tech will drop out, like they do right now.
this would not be a bad idea. it would be very nice if the vocational school grads could also have strong opportunities with community colleges. also, i would think that vocational school grads should also be given the opportunity to attend universities as well provided they met the admission standards. (in the same way that GED grads can that is).
Sure, why not.
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