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    met a pit bull 2 weeks ago

    family friend invited me inside her house. her adult son was home with his pit bull.

    opened the door for her, was standing behind her. pit bull and chihuahua run up to me in the doorway like stupid dogs do.

    chihuaha jumps on my leg and licks me, pit bull comes right up and bites the fuck out of the inside of my knee.

    no bark, no growl, just walk up and bite

    awesome dog
    My pit would do that if he saw you.

    I trained him to be nice to everyone except be@ners

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    You're a be@ner, hence my pit wouldn't be nice to you.

    He comes in handy when your people come by axing to trim the palm trees.

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    is that the new defense Mexicans have when they're called out for being the worst group of human beings

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    You're a be@ner, hence my pit wouldn't be nice to you.

    He comes in handy when your people come by axing to trim the palm trees.

    lol Statistics turned against you. This game is fun.

    I'd shoot your fucking dog, btw.

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    Hemann's argument isn't very scientific. First off, pit bulls and rottweilers are two of the most popular breeds in america, so theoretically if all dogs were created equal they would naturally account for the majority of all bites due to sheer numbers. Secondly, when a chihuahua or even a lab or golden retreiver bites, it's not nearly as likely to cause serious injury or even death, hence may not even be reported. Of course the more powerful dogs are going to do more damage when they do bite and it'll make news.


    so mean and aggressive

    http://atts.org/breed-statistics/statistics-page1/

    Description of the Temperament Test
    The ATTS Temperament Test focuses on and measures different aspects of temperament such as stability, shyness, aggressiveness, and friendliness as well as the dog’s instinct for protectiveness towards its handler and/or self-preservation in the face of a threat.

    The test simulates a casual walk through a park or neighborhood where everyday life situations are encountered. During this walk, the dog experiences visual, auditory and tactile stimuli. Neutral, friendly and threatening situations are encountered, calling into play the dog’s ability to distinguish between non-threatening situations and those calling for watchful and protective reactions.

    Dogs must be at least 18 months old to enter this test. The test takes about eight to 12 minutes to complete. The dog is on a loose six-foot (6′) lead. The handler is not allowed to talk to the dog, give commands, or give corrections.

    Failure on any part of the test is recognized when a dog shows:

    Unprovoked aggression
    Panic without recovery
    Strong avoidance
    The ATTS Temperament Test consists of ten subtests divided into five subcategories:


    Behavior Toward Strangers
    Objective: To measure the dog’s reaction to strangers in a non-threatening situation.

    Subtest 1: Neutral stranger
    A stranger to the dog approaches the handler, shakes hands with the handler and engages the handler in a brief conversation, ignoring the dog.
    The purpose of this subtest is to evaluate the dog’s reaction to passive socialization and the dog’s protective instinct.

    Subtest 2: Friendly stranger
    A stranger to the dog approaches happily and briskly, is very friendly to the dog and pets the dog.
    The purpose of this subtest is to evaluate the dog’s active social skills.

    Reaction to Auditory Stimuli
    Objective: To measure the dog’s reaction to auditory stimuli and the dog’s investigative behavior.

    Subtest 3: Hidden Noise
    The handler/dog team approaches a hidden assistant who rattles a metal bucket filled with rocks and sets this bucket in the path of the team. The handler may encourage the dog to investigate the bucket only when asked to do so. The handler’s focus must be on the bucket, not on the dog.
    The purpose of this subtest is to test alertness and curiosity.

    Subtest 4: Gunshots
    The handler stops at a designated marker with his/her back towards a well hidden assistant. The assistant fires three shots using a .22 caliber starter pistol (SHOT-PAUSE-SHOT-SHOT).
    The purpose of this subtest is to measure the dog’s recovery response to a sudden noise.

    Reaction to Visual Stimulus
    Objective: To measure the dog’s reaction to a sudden visual stimulus.

    Subtest 5: Umbrella
    The handler/dog team approaches an assistant sitting in a chair holding a closed umbrella parallel to the ground at a 90 degree angle to the approaching team. When the dog is five feet from the assistant, the umbrella is opened. The handler may encourage the dog to investigate the umbrella only when asked to do so. The handler’s focus must be on the umbrella, not on the dog.

    Tactile Stimuli
    Objective: To measure the dog’s reaction to unusual footing.

    Subtest 6: Plastic Footing
    Both the handler and the dog walk the entire length of a 15-foot by 6-foot clear plastic strip.

    Subtest 7: Wire Footing
    Only the dog will walk the entire length of a 12-foot by 3-foot unfolded exercise pen.

    The purpose of these subtests is to measure the dog’s sensitivity to unusual footing, its ability to recover from the fear of unusual footing and to measure its investigative behavior to the unusual footing.

    Self Protective/Aggressive Behavior
    Objective: These tests collectively evaluate the dog’s capacity to recognize an unusual situation, its threshold to provocation, its protective instincts, and its propensity to realize when the situation becomes a threat.

    Subtest 8: Non-Threatening
    The handler/dog team stops at the designated marker. A weirdly-dressed stranger crosses the path 38 feet in front of the team.
    The purpose of this subtest is to test the dog’s alertness to an unusual situation.

    Subtest 9: Threatening
    The weird stranger advances 10 feet towards the stationary handler in a threatening manner.
    The purpose of this subtest is to evaluate the dog’s ability to recognize when an unusual situation turns into a provocation.

    Subtest 10: Aggression
    The weird stranger advances to within 18 feet of the stationary handler in an aggressive manner.
    The purpose of this subtest is to evaluate the dog’s protective instincts.

    The stranger is never closer than 10 feet from the dog. The handler’s 2 foot arm and the 6′ lead is added in for a total of 18 feet. Aggression here is checked against the breed standard and the dog’s training. A schutzhund trained dog lunging at the stranger is allowed, but if an untrained Siberian husky does the same, it may fail.

    At the conclusion of the test, the handler will receive a critique about the dog’s performance. Certificate will be mailed within 90 days of the test.
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    If a thousand labs bit for every 1 rottweiler, rottweilers would still account for more fatalities due to the fact that they more much more powerful.

    bean mann

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    If a thousand labs bit for every 1 rottweiler, rottweilers would still account for more fatalities due to the fact that they more much more powerful.

    bean mann

    So you agree that they're most likely to maul someone than any other breed solely because of their power?

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    lol Statistics turned against you. This game is fun.

    I'd shoot your fucking dog, btw.
    rofl typical mexican needing guns and knives cause he's a pussy with his hands

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    rofl typical mexican needing guns and knives cause he's a pussy with his hands

    You'd fight a pit bull with your hands? Such a tough guy.


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    So you agree that they're most likely to maul someone than any other breed solely because of their power?
    Yeah that's why they are only for responsible owners. You don't get a dog like that just to put in the backyard and do it's own thing. Those are what are known as "working dogs."

    If you socialize one and have experience with large dogs they really aren't going to maul someone. I've got a bullmastiff, the only person he's biting is an intruder.

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    You'd fight a pit bull with your hands? Such a tough guy.

    Fighting/abusing animals isn't something I think about very much. It's an activity that mostly minorities (i.e. Mexicans and blacks) take part in

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    Honestly I prefer animals to people tbh (especially beaners). My dog is my nigga he ain't gonna backstab me or fuck around, he's got my back. They love their owners unconditionally

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    Yeah that's why they are only for responsible owners. You don't get a dog like that just to put in the backyard and do it's own thing. Those are what are known as "working dogs."

    If you socialize one and have experience with large dogs they really aren't going to maul someone. I've got a bullmastiff, the only person he's biting is an intruder.

    It's a breed that needs to be reigned in, regardless of its temperment because the death ratio is appauling. Prospective owners atleast need a background check before they buy one. There's no excuse why pit bulls kill 52+ ppl in two years compared to the other "aggressive" breeds who only account for 2-3 each.

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    Tbh there's some confusion between causation and correlation....if you think about it, the type of people who would raise a shitty, overaggressive dog are the type to choose a powerful/"scary" breed to begin with. People who choose labs are probably more likely to be a family, and thus will probably have it trained to be friendly.

    I've yet to see an aggressive lab tbh.

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    It's a breed that needs to be reigned in, regardless of its temperment because the death ratio is appauling. Prospective owners atleast need a background check before they buy one. There's no excuse why pit bulls kill 52+ ppl in two years compared to the other "aggressive" breeds who only account for 2-3 each.
    because they're powerful and minorities like to use them as a "macho symbol." instead of treating them like a pet. minorities should be banned first and we wouldn't have a problem at all.

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    They're the type who would pick a strong breed capable of brutal attacks, which pittbulls are. If labs had notoriously strong jaws, every spook in the dirty south would want one to bet on in fights.

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    lol dogsbite.org. Only a faggot like hemann would choose such a shit source.

    http://www.pitbulletinlegalnews.com/...g-the-henhouse
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    lol Statistics turned against you. This game is fun.
    lol uneducated faggot. Do some real research instead of trusting some shitty source that a dumbass posts.

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    lol uneducated faggot. Do some real research instead of trusting some shitty source that a dumbass posts.

    http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreation...ogbreeds-a.pdf

    Ouch, faggot with very conservative goverment data. Gay boy got you bent over. Mmmmm.

    Now that I threw some poo back, let me explain the serious problem I have with the pit bull community.

    Regardless of what statistics you present, pit bulls are THE deadliest breed in the United States hands down. There should be no reason why a purported domesticated animal should be so aggressive towards people who aren't directly harming the owner.

    My problem isn't with the breed itself, but with the breeders and owners. Having been an owner of an 'aggressive breed,' I did hours and hours of research on the dog I wanted.

    The breed I own was depicted as a man-killing breed (and yes, it was bred to be a guard dog and used in war) in the 60s and 70s. Breeders made it a conscious effort to breed out the aggression, and now fatalities among the breed are minimal. When I purchased my dog, the breeder did an in-depth background check on me, and I went through an interviewing process. I was approved, and the puppy I purchased is the best damn dog I've ever owned. Believe me, I kept him on a short leash, and now he's the world's biggest couch potato.

    As far as I can tell, pit bull breeders on a national scale haven't made it their goal to breed out aggression. Nor are they doing background checks on owners and continually instilling the need for owners to give their dog a role and not keeping them pinned in the backyard. Instead they take to apologetics. "The statistics are flawed, pit bulls are less aggressive than labs, etc. etc." Owners are making the same excuses, as evidenced by this thread. Noone has addressed why the public views pits as they do. Instead, breeders should start a national campaign on improving the dog's imagine - not creating 'legal think tank' websites (that I presume are started to counter lawsuits) to protect the owners. It should be a breed agenda. Instead, all I see is apologetics. tl/dr.
    Last edited by IWantsACuatro; 05-06-2012 at 09:36 PM.

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    Again...learn how to to proper research. The CDC themselves came out and said that very fact sheet you posted was worthless related to breed specific dog bites.
    A CDC study on fatal dog bites lists the breeds involved in fatal attacks over 20 years (Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998 ). It does not identify specific breeds that are most likely to bite or kill, and thus is not appropriate for policy-making decisions related to the topic. Each year, 4.7 million Americans are bitten by dogs. These bites result in approximately 16 fatalities; about 0.0002 percent of the total number of people bitten. These relatively few fatalities offer the only available information about breeds involved in dog bites. There is currently no accurate way to identify the number of dogs of a particular breed, and consequently no measure to determine which breeds are more likely to bite or kill.
    http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreation...factsheet.html

    It's also hard to take you seriously when you say shit like, "pit bulls are the deadliest breed in the United States" and follow it up with with "My problem isn't with the breed itself, but with the breeders and owners." There's no such thing as a deadly breed. It's a myth created by the media. How is 16 fatalities a year out of 4.7 million bites(that's all breeds) deadly? Again, do some real research.

    You are right about there being more aggressive breeds though...and when need to get information about such things I personally will yield to real professionals...like...the American Veterinary Medical Association. Here is a very recent publication from them regarding the role of breed in dog bite risk and prevention.

    http://www.avma.org/reference/backgr...ntion_bgnd.pdf
    Owners of pit bull-type dogs deal with a strong breed stigma, however controlled studies have not identified this breed group as disproportionately dangerous. The pit bull type is particularly ambiguous as a “breed” encompassing a range of pedigree breeds, informal types and appearances that cannot be reliably identified. Visual determination of dog breed is known to not always be reliable. And witnesses may be predisposed to assume that a vicious dog is of this type.
    Given that pit bull-type dogs are not implicated in controlled studies, and the potential role of prevalence and management factors, it is difficult to support the targeting of this breed as a basis for dog bite prevention. If breeds are to be targeted a cluster of large breeds would be implicated including the German shepherd and shepherd crosses and other breeds that vary by location.
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    Listen...if you own a large breed dog...Pit bull, Doberman, Lab, Rottweiler, German Shepherd, etc. then you should own it responsibly. You aren't saving anyone's life by targeting a specific breed and saying that it's a born killer so we should get rid of it. You get rid of that breed and there will be another one in line...and getting rid of a breed that has tons of information about it not being dangerous is even dumber. If you are trying to get rid of dog bites by getting rid of pit bulls then you are horribly misguided.

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    Already have.

    Who is Merritt Clifton And What Are His Credentials?

    Most news stories obtain their Pro-BSL statistics from dogsbite.org. As noted above, Colleen Lynn started this anti-pitbull blog in 2007 as a result of what she decribed as a vicious pit bull attack. PBLN has previously reported on the evolution of this preventable accident into the myth of vicious pit bull attack. Initially, Lynn compiled her dog bite data from a study done by Merritt Clifton. Nobody has any idea what his raw data was, and none of his statistics are consistent with what independent peer reviewed research shows. He has no qualifications to do scientific research into dog behavior. Out of all the dog bite reports and information available in 2008, including the CDC and AVMA, Lynn chose Merritt Clifton's self published unscientific and uncredentialed report? Yes. It is the only report that agrees with the agenda of DBO.
    http://www.pitbulletinlegalnews.com/...g-the-henhouse

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    The argument throughout this thread hasn't even been statistics, although benefactor is now making his case, it's been about pitbulls being an unconditionally aggressive breed.

    If you look at my previous posts you'll know I'm one of the "don't blame the breed" posters, and I'm COMPLETELY ok with this. If this means all the irresponsible PoS asshole owners can't abuse them anymore, and the current responsible owners can keep theirs, then this is worth applauding. They really should however extend it to all power breeds, considering those PoS asshole owners will only move on to the next best thing. I view this is as saving the breed
    still my overlying ideology on this issue. Nip it in the bud if nothing more than for the sake of all the dogs that would be abused in the future

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    Listen...if you own a large breed dog...Pit bull, Doberman, Lab, Rottweiler, German Shepherd, etc. then you should own it responsibly. You aren't saving anyone's life by targeting a specific breed and saying that it's a born killer so we should get rid of it. You get rid of that breed and there will be another one in line...and getting rid of a breed that has tons of information about it not being dangerous is even dumber. If you are trying to get rid of dog bites by getting rid of pit bulls then you are horribly misguided.
    Pit bulls are misunderstood, especially by relatives of those people who've been mauled by them.

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    Both studies conclude that pit-bull types accounted for most severe bites.

    Other bites that aren't severe (ones in controlled studies) are mostly yip-yap dogs - not necessarily dangerous but annoying as fuck.

    Then they basically say that they don't want to be involved in the discussion policy-wise because of the owner stigma and lack of breed stabilization.

    If I were a pit-bull breeder, I'd try to establish new pedigree guidelines with breeders across the US and reign in the breed. Variability, in this case, is not a good thing. Maybe instead of trying to make it a non-issue, the pit-bull community should distance itself away from the owner stigma.

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    no offense to those who have pit bulls, but why would anyone want to own one?


    Serious question.

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    no offense to those who have pit bulls, but why would anyone want to own one?


    Serious question.
    tell us which breed YOU prefer so we can all follow suit

    Because they are affectionate, loyal, and protective?
    and on top of that because some prefer their looks the same way some may prefer labs or jack russells or dalmations, because they think they're "cuter." I for one can't stand the way labs look. The most plain ugly dog in the world imo. Yet it seems most people in the world think they're absolutely adorable. Is that really too much to understand, triggered?

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    Pit bulls are misunderstood, especially by relatives of those people who've been mauled by them.
    this might have been considered witty or funny 4-5 pages ago

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    Both studies conclude that pit-bull types accounted for most severe bites.

    Other bites that aren't severe (ones in controlled studies) are mostly yip-yap dogs - not necessarily dangerous but annoying as fuck.

    Then they basically say that they don't want to be involved in the discussion policy-wise because of the owner stigma and lack of breed stabilization.

    If I were a pit-bull breeder, I'd try to establish new pedigree guidelines with breeders across the US and reign in the breed. Variability, in this case, is not a good thing. Maybe instead of trying to make it a non-issue, the pit-bull community should distance itself away from the owner stigma.
    Actually German Shepherds make the list more, but the bite studies are beside the point...as the AVMA points out that many times pit bulls cannot be properly identified visually and that witnesses may be predisposed to assume that a vicious dog is a pit bull(i.e. the many false reports from dgbite.org). That sums up the problem with any bite study. You have to rely on the people reporting and as you can see in the previous link I posted many times those people say whatever they want.

    Meanwhile, I will continue to rely on more concrete data:

    -the statement from the AVMA that says "controlled studies have not
    identified this breed group as disproportionately dangerous."

    -tests done by the ATTS that show pit bulls pass at rate of almost 87%(better than Golden Retrievers).

    Find me some information about the actual breed being dangerous that can disprove these two things and get back to me.

    /thread

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    rofl what a slut loser whoever made that blog is

    a big mean pitbull bit me so now I'm gonna dedicate my life to some shitty blog about how big and mean pitbulls are

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