Messi=GOD

[DAF86]

Asumptions? Every post I've seen you make about Messi it's to criticize him, IMO it's normal to think that you don't like Messi too much when every comment you make about him it's a different form of criticism.

If somebody is making wrong asumptions here it's you, first for bealiving that I'm trying to "help a case" by posting videos of my favorite football player and then for bealiving that I said things that I've never said.

[diego]

Asumptions? Every post I've seen you make about Messi it's to criticize him, IMO it's normal to think that you don't like Messi too much when every comment you make about him it's a different form of criticism.

and FYI, messi won the 2008 olympics and has a grand total of 122 minutes played over 3 games in a world cup. if you had just said WC, you could be on to something (even if the kid barely played), but since he was clearly the best player of the 08 gold medal team, you shot yourself in the foot.

you quoted that snippet in that same thread, actually

If somebody is making wrong asumptions here it's you, first for bealiving that I'm trying to "help a case" by posting videos of my favorite football player and then for bealiving that I said things that I've never said.

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IDK, if he wins just one WC and playing like he's doing right now I think we can already place him alongside the trully greats of this sport.

post 28 of this thread:

Why? Messi has done a lot more than Maradona at the age of 22. A lot of coaches and ex-footballers that have seen both play say that Messi is at the same level (some even say Lionel is better), I think that to be called the greatest of all time you have to at least win a WC but the kid has definitely the talent to be compared to the greats.

that was in just the first 2 pages, do you really want me to look for more?

how about this, next time you post a vid and put "awesome play at the 4:40 mark", either put "half awesome play at the 4:40 mark" or put "if anyone disagrees with me I will get defensive and call them names", that way I'll know how to respond without getting your panties in a bunch

and to hammer the point for the last time, messi is great but he still needs to do more AND he still has to improve his skills (ball skills arent the only kind of skills for a player), then he will be an all time great. if he gets hit by a bus tomorrow a couple of jinky runs and several les on a stacked team do not make him an all time great. and he can be called overrated, the same way lebron and kobe can be called overrated, because of groupies like you.

[DAF86]

and FYI, messi won the 2008 olympics and has a grand total of 122 minutes played over 3 games in a world cup. if you had just said WC, you could be on to something (even if the kid barely played), but since he was clearly the best player of the 08 gold medal team, you shot yourself in the foot.

you quoted that snippet in that same thread, actually

I obviously don't remember that, still you have more "critical" comments than "praises" for him, but it's cool, like I said everybody can think what they want, but everybody has also the right to argue those comments.

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post 28 of this thread:



that was in just the first 2 pages, do you really want me to look for more?

how about this, next time you post a vid and put "awesome play at the 4:40 mark", either put "half awesome play at the 4:40 mark" or put "if anyone disagrees with me I will get defensive and call them names", that way I'll know how to respond without getting your panties in a bunch

and to hammer the point for the last time, messi is great but he still needs to do more AND he still has to improve his skills (ball skills arent the only kind of skills for a player), then he will be an all time great. if he gets hit by a bus tomorrow a couple of jinky runs and several les on a stacked team do not make him an all time great. and he can be called overrated, the same way lebron and kobe can be called overrated, because of groupies like you.

So? Where did I say that Messi is the best of all time?

Find me a post where I said that Messi was the best of all time

Still waiting.

[Brazil]

DAF, you're obviously a big fan of Lionel and there is nothing wrong about that but you should accept people that don't think like you. This thread is the same kind of thread of the kobe one on the nba forum.

For me he has some special talent for sure but IMHO we cannot compare him to Maradona even a 22 years old Maradona.

[DAF86]

DAF, you're obviously a big fan of Lionel and there is nothing wrong about that but you should accept people that don't think like you. This thread is the same kind of thread of the kobe one on the nba forum.

For me he has some special talent for sure but IMHO we cannot compare him to Maradona even a 22 years old Maradona.

I know, that's why I said everybody can say what they want, just expect a counter-arguemnt, speaking of which: Messi at 22 > Maradona at 22, a whole lot more of individual and team accomplishments.

[lefty]

I know, that's why I said everybody can say what they want, just expect a counter-arguemnt, speaking of which: Messi at 22 > Maradona at 22, a whole lot more of individual and team accomplishments.

WC ?

[DAF86]

WC ?

Maradona didn't win the WC at age 22, in fact he failed big time in '82 with a stacked team (basically the team that won in '78+ Maradona and other great talents), he was even red carded in that tournament against Brazil of all teams. According to the people that saw both WCs, Messi in this last WC >>> Maradona in the '82 WC

[lefty]

Maradona didn't win the WC at age 22, in fact he failed big time in '82 with a stacked team (basically the team that won in '78+ Maradona and other great talents), he was even red carded in that tournament against Brazil of all teams. According to the people that saw both WCs, Messi in this last WC >>> Maradona in the '82 WC

Argh damn I misread your post sorry

But Diego is still and will always be better than Messi

[SAtown]

How many goals will the God-like midget score against a ty Panathinaikos???

[DAF86]

lol Milan

[lefty]

lol Hercules

[DAF86]

And I'm thinking a hat trick to start slowly.

[DAF86]

lol Hercules

lol Mourinho
lol boring games
lol 0-0
lol 1-0

[lefty]

lol Mourinho
lol boring games
lol 0-0
lol 1-0

lol Mourinho ahead of Barcelona

[SAtown]

LOL turning on the sprinklers while Inter and Mourinho celebrate in front of 100,000 buttsore midget fans

[ALVAREZ6]

i was actually going to put, messi is probably the best in the world right now, that doesnt make him godlike or best all time... it just says that right now there arent a lot great teams or players. and looking at most leagues, the CL, and the last WC, that sounds like a pretty accurate statement. Forlan golden boot?? Sorry but thats just sad.

anyways, if its not a highlight, you are telling me messi saw the ball for 5 minutes in a 90 minute game? almost all the balls he touched? so why almost, why not all, why did they include these and not others? you yourself said the play at 4:40 is awesome... yes, it was awesome how he navigated 4 defenders, but was it awesome how he waited unnecessarily for his teammate to be offside before hitting him with the pass?? like i said, he is good, has even better things ahead of him, but he is not the god you are painting him out to be.

you're the typical loser who brings in other things to an argument instead of answering directly. when have i ever said that riquelme is the best in the world? i said he is easily the best argentine freekick specialist, to which your retort was "you are a boca fan". if i'm wrong, who is the better FK specialist? i said maradona made some good changes and that for the most part i liked how he set the team up for the WC, but I said what IMO he did wrong. you didnt answer that either, you just cherry pick and wait for the results to make your criticism.

but if you want to get all y... argentina in 06 with riquelme was a lot closer to beating germany than argentina in 10 with messi, now go write an essay explaining how it was all zanetti and cambiasso (you'll have to include a paragraph on why zanetti's magic didnt work in 98 and 02 and why the team fell apart when cambiasso came in), how the 06 german team was much better because of lehmann and ballack, how klinsmann is a better coach than low and pekerman a better coach than maradona, how playing at home in 06 played against germany because of the pressure and that playing in africa let them play relaxed, etc etc etc.

the irony of all this is, that Im not even looking to fight with you, you are worse than quixote. all i'm saying is that you prop messi up to much. if it helps you sleep at night, knock yourself out. For me, he is still only a talented dribbler and part time playmaker. when he is a god, he'll be a full time playmaker.

I don't know if I can agree with this...there's a ton of great players right now, and the reason why I think you don't see crazier stats is because there's multiple of the amazing strikers on the same few teams in the world. To say there aren't that many greaet players right now is just absurd.


They were obviously closer to beating germany in 06, for different reasons. Riquelme was not one of them. Even then he was slow and washed up, I can't take the way he plays anymore (y soy bostero tambien). The defense was stronger with Ayala and Sorin, compared to this past world cup team's dreadful defense. Also, Cambiasso was on the roster, did a good job, and Saviola at striker, ahead of Messi or Tevez, played really well given he was ahead of those two guys. I would disagree to start him over one of the two at the time, but there were positives associated with that decision because I vividly remember how much of a difference Messi and Tevez made immediately when they entered games as subs utes...they came in fresh with energy and really made defenses work. Maradona as coach did not help this time around, obviously, and also, this year's Germany in my opinion was better. Even though they sent a young team, they played better than pretty much everyone (Spain obviously played well, they won, but overall, in every game except their loss, Germany was amazing this world cup).

So really, it had nothing to do with Riquelme and Messi.

[lefty]

LOL turning on the sprinklers while Inter and Mourinho celebrate in front of 100,000 buttsore midget fans

That was so ing classic

[DAF86]

And I'm thinking a hat trick to start slowly.

ing missed PK away of getting my prediction right

[mabrignani]

Yes, lots of meaningless group stage goals against garbage teams.

lol arsenal
anyone can score on that POS goalie and defense

[mabrignani]

lol Mourinho
lol boring games
lol 0-0
lol 1-0

wow you obviously dont know anything about futbol or else you wouldnt be loling mourinho the greatest club coach ever(next to lippi haha)

[diego]

I don't know if I can agree with this...there's a ton of great players right now, and the reason why I think you don't see crazier stats is because there's multiple of the amazing strikers on the same few teams in the world. To say there aren't that many greaet players right now is just absurd.


They were obviously closer to beating germany in 06, for different reasons. Riquelme was not one of them. Even then he was slow and washed up, I can't take the way he plays anymore (y soy bostero tambien). The defense was stronger with Ayala and Sorin, compared to this past world cup team's dreadful defense. Also, Cambiasso was on the roster, did a good job, and Saviola at striker, ahead of Messi or Tevez, played really well given he was ahead of those two guys. I would disagree to start him over one of the two at the time, but there were positives associated with that decision because I vividly remember how much of a difference Messi and Tevez made immediately when they entered games as subs utes...they came in fresh with energy and really made defenses work. Maradona as coach did not help this time around, obviously, and also, this year's Germany in my opinion was better. Even though they sent a young team, they played better than pretty much everyone (Spain obviously played well, they won, but overall, in every game except their loss, Germany was amazing this world cup).

So really, it had nothing to do with Riquelme and Messi.

I dont believe any of those silly arguments re: 06 vs 10, I was just making fun of DAF who for no reason brought riquelme into the argument, so to piss him off I said 06 with riquelme > 10 with messi. Of course its different, for a million reasons, and either way the most important thing is that both teams lost, I'm not one to argue moral victories.

dont take this badly, but I could care less who you are a fan of or what you think of riquelme, the only thing I ever argued about riquelme on this forum is that he is the best FK specialist argentina has and I would have liked to have him this last WC for that reason. Yes he is slow, yes his body is deteriorated, I have never argued otherwise. If someone has an argument for another argentine being better or equal to riquelme at FK, I'd be glad to hear it, but all I got when I made that statement was the typical "screw that lazy diva" speech that really has nothing to do with what I was arguing, which is freekicks.

aside from that, I'd like to hear about the great players we have nowadays. I'm the first to admit I dont watch as much footy as I used to, and maybe Im just getting old, but are there really as many great players now than the 80's? No disrespect to Forlan, he did play very well at the WC, but could he have won a golden boot- in a top league or NT compe ion- during that time? Forget stats, this isnt that kind of sport. IMO, guys like cristiano ronaldo, Ibrahimovic, materazzi, who are touted among the best in their positions, would be lucky to be subs in top clubs in the 80's.

finally, at DAF saying messi at 22 > maradona at 22. how about at 13? maradona was already famous at 13, messi was a nobody. what a stupid argument.

i guess kobe at 22 > jordan at 22, after all kobe was in the middle of 3peating (i think, not sure ). jordan was so bad he was still in college!

look, put aside team success, personality, and everything else, and just compare them as players, the difference between maradona and messi is that maradona's passing game was vastly superior to messi's (and not for lack of technique, its about having the vision, timing, and instinct). maradona also had more power in his shot. Messi may well be the better dribbler, he's faster too. but maradona was a more dangerous player.

[DAF86]

finally, at DAF saying messi at 22 > maradona at 22. how about at 13? maradona was already famous at 13, messi was a nobody. what a stupid argument.

i guess kobe at 22 > jordan at 22, after all kobe was in the middle of 3peating (i think, not sure ). jordan was so bad he was still in college!

I was just answering to Brazil, he's the one that brought it up.

look, put aside team success, personality, and everything else, and just compare them as players, the difference between maradona and messi is that maradona's passing game was vastly superior to messi's (and not for lack of technique, its about having the vision, timing, and instinct). maradona also had more power in his shot. Messi may well be the better dribbler, he's faster too. but maradona was a more dangerous player.

I bet you didn't watch today's game. I can't compare Maradona to Messi (when I compare them is looking strictly to stats and accomplishments), 'cause I didn't see Maradona on his prime (other than in films) but one thing is for sure: Messi's passing is underrated because of his great dribbling skills, he is a very good passer.

[DAF86]

Guardiola: "Messi is the best player in the world with a notable difference from the rest. The second is never going to catch him."

http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/174/u...uchable-lionel

[Brazil]

I was just answering to Brazil, he's the one that brought it up.

Wtf ? you brought this argument up sooner in this thread post 237 something like that. You are the one comparing mardona and messi at 22 years old not me and you confirmed that post 305.

[Brazil]

I bet you didn't watch today's game. I can't compare Maradona to Messi (when I compare them is looking strictly to stats and accomplishments), 'cause I didn't see Maradona on his prime (other than in films) but one thing is for sure: Messi's passing is underrated because of his great dribbling skills, he is a very good passer.

Even if I was young I've seen Marodona playing a lot, messi is a great talent but he is not comparable to Maradona.
Maradona is at the spot #2 in all time greats. When he played with Argentina against Italy during the 90 WC in Napoly, italian supporters rooted for him. Can you imagine that ? He won the italian league almost by himself ! I wish the best to Messi if he can achieve half of what mardona achieved he already would have a fantastic carreer.