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    California Senate Bill 40 — Proposal To Limit Tax-Funded Rebates To Cars Under $40,000 (Subtext: So, No Teslas)

    http://cleantechnica.com/2015/03/27/...eanTechnica%29

    And how about limiting mortgage interest deductions to homes homes at or below the median new house price, prorated by region?

    Nah, the plutocrats would NEVER screw themselves to Fix The Debt, just screw the poor.

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    Act Now: Georgia Electric Car Buyers Could Get The Shaft, Lose $5,000 Incentive & “Gain” A $200/Year Fee

    Georgia’s House and Senate have passed a bill that would eliminate the state’s $5,000 zero-emission-vehicle (ZEV) tax credit and also put a $200/year road usage fee on electric vehicles. Oy, not good news. The bill hasn’t been signed into law yet

    http://cleantechnica.com/2015/03/27/...eanTechnica%29

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    Act Now: Georgia Electric Car Buyers Could Get The Shaft, Lose $5,000 Incentive & “Gain” A $200/Year Fee

    Georgia’s House and Senate have passed a bill that would eliminate the state’s $5,000 zero-emission-vehicle (ZEV) tax credit and also put a $200/year road usage fee on electric vehicles. Oy, not good news. The bill hasn’t been signed into law yet

    http://cleantechnica.com/2015/03/27/...eanTechnica%29

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    $200 is a bit high. To replace the approximate $0.193 tax per gallon, that equates to buying 1,036 gallons. If they assume replacing the gasoline tax used by a 25 MPG car, that means they expect people to average 26,000 + miles annually. That's about twice the average I think.

    Should be $100 max.

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    As normal, Shazbot is regurgitating misinformation.

    HB 170:

    http://www.legis.ga.gov/Legislation/20152016/151889.pdf

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    $200 is a bit high. To replace the approximate $0.193 tax per gallon, that equates to buying 1,036 gallons. If they assume replacing the gasoline tax used by a 25 MPG car, that means they expect people to average 26,000 + miles annually. That's about twice the average I think.

    Should be $100 max.
    Repugs increase taxes? Only when BigCarbon is calling the shots.

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    Inexpensive Electric Cars May Arrive Sooner Than You Think

    http://www.technologyreview.com/news...han-you-think/



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    While Musk/Tesla bet big on battery EVs, esp betting on huge breakthroughs in battery tech, the majors have kept their FCEV programs going, also betting huge breakthroughs in hydrogen production. This could be one, from the Owl people.

    More Good News For Fuel Cell EV Fans


    The current catalyst of choice is based on platinum, which needless to say is quite pricey.

    The Rice team came up with a thin film based on cobalt that could do the same job, and do it better, and cheaper, too. No, really — the material itself is cheaper, and the manufacturing process is inexpensive and scalable.

    Speaking of US taxpayers, before we get on to that tidal energy thing, let’s pause here for a big group hug, because our friends over at the Air Force Office of Scientific Research supported the Rice team through its
    Multidisciplinary University Research Initiative
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    http://cleantechnica.com/2015/04/17/...eanTechnica%29

    Of course, plug-in EVs still have the big advantage of infrastructure (electrical grid) but offset by the "range anxiety" of prospective EV buyers.

    I read where the govt messed up only by investing $1B+ in EV tax breaks when $1B+ should have also been spent equally on subsidizing the network of plugin stations.

    That's easily fixed. Just cut $10B from MIC corporate welfare and spend it on EV plug-in network. Nah, the MIC owns Congress and its spending decision.



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    Hydrogen Fuel Cell Cars Return for Another Run

    FOR decades, hydrogen has been the Dracula of automotive fuels: Just when you think a stake has been driven through its zero-emissions heart, the technology rises from the grave.

    In 2015, even with gasoline cheaper than it has been in years, hydrogen is back to haunt those who insist that battery electric vehicles are the long-term solution for reducing fossil fuel consumption and carbon dioxide emissions.


    This time — with hydrogen fuel cell costs falling significantly, and a tiny yet budding network of public fueling stations — automakers are placing their latest long-odds bet on hydrogen cars.


    Hyundai has been first in the latest wave of fuel cell models, which are actually electric cars with one important difference: Instead of a plug-in battery that draws power from the electrical grid, a fuel cell generates power from an electrochemical reaction between onboard hydrogen and oxygen in the air. Clean water trickles out the tailpipe as the only byproduct.


    In a technical riposte to most battery electric vehicles, which generally travel less than 100 miles on a charge, and take several hours to recharge, fuel cell cars operate as conveniently as gasoline models. They travel roughly 300 miles on a tank, and their ultrastrong carbon-fiber tanks can be pumped full of hydrogen in less than 10 minutes.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/17/au...s&emc=rss&_r=0



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    The car of the future — the very near future — might be driven by the wind

    it suddenly feels like the most exciting place in Berlin, because — yikes! I remember — we’re in the future! That car outside, the one we’re driving in, doesn’t run on gasoline or diesel fuel or batteries. It runs on hydrogen! The stuff that makes the sun go!

    And windmills, some looming right above us. And there’s a big concrete shed with a machine inside it that runs on some of that wind power and that Enertrag hopes will help fix the imbalance between renewable energy supply and demand.

    This project demonstrates that renewable energy is capable of providing energy, demand-sided,” Döring tells me. That is, when people need it, not just when nature provides it. “Even when wind turbines are not turning because the wind is not there, we store the wind power in the form of hydrogen, and we can use it for different purposes.”


    In other words, it turns wind power into hydrogen. Hydrogen that can be stored, moved and turned back into electricity whenever it’s needed.

    http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-04-0...be-driven-wind

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    but what is the eROI ?

    Audi creates green 'e-diesel fuel of the future' using just carbon dioxide and water

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/audi-create...-water-1498524


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    but what is the eROI ?

    Audi creates green 'e-diesel fuel of the future' using just carbon dioxide and water

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/audi-create...-water-1498524

    Anyone trying to bring this to fruition should fear for the lives.
    Oil Pigs gonna come knockin.

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    The blue crude would be great, but I wonder how cost effective is it?

    We have too much power capacity in the Pacific Northwest, between hydropower and wind. We actually would have a great solar potential in about 1/4 of Oregon in the SE as well, but it is sparsely populated. Something like this would be great to develop in SE Oregon, and the gorge, where there is excessive wind potential.

    Again however... cost... What would the selling price be?

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    how many millions of solar panels and 1000s of wind turbines would to take to produce enough non-carbon electricity to produce enough blue diesel to be significant at auto industry scale?

    and the exhaust from blue diesel is still pollution.

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    how many millions of solar panels and 1000s of wind turbines would to take to produce enough non-carbon electricity to produce enough blue diesel to be significant at auto industry scale?

    and the exhaust from blue diesel is still pollution.
    There is still the cost of producing it, and the exhaust would be CO2 and H2O. Not pollution, and the CO2 emitted came from the atmosphere to begin with.

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    Team Sets New Cross Country Record With Tesla Model S

    Perhaps the biggest advantage the Tesla Model S has over other electric cars isn’t its longer range, but its comprehensive and fast-charging Supercharger network. Tesla wants owners to be able to drive anywhere, including straight across the country, as Tesla demonstrated last year. Many Tesla owners are doing just that, sometimes even in record time.

    A team of Model S drivers went from Los Angeles to New York City in 58 hours and 55 minutes, reports Jalopnik, beating the record for electric vehicles set by Edmunds last year by about 90 minutes. The team was made up of Carl Reese and his fiancee Deen Mastracci, as well as Rodney Hawk, a high school friend serving as the third driver. Another three friends followed in the ultimate anti-Tesla, a Chevrolet Suburban, as a support team, with the Tesla drivers sometimes cozying up to the rear of the Suburban for drafting purposes.


    http://cleantechnica.com/2015/05/04/...eanTechnica%29




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    Why More And More States Could Start Considering Fees On Electric Cars

    The proposal, which also would have amended the state cons ution to increase fuel taxes, was billed as a way for the state to get more revenue to repair roads and bridges. Since hybrid owners buy less gas than owners of conventional vehicles, and electric car owners buy no gas at all, the state saw the proposal as a way to continue to get revenue from owners of more fuel efficient cars.

    Proposal 1 may have pushed for a new fee on electric car owners, but according to Kristy Hartman, a senior energy policy specialist with the National Conference of State Legislatures, state policies on electric vehicles in recent years largely have aimed to benefit electric vehicle owners. In fact, she told ThinkProgress in an email, 37 states have adopted incentives to encourage consumers to purchase electric cars, such as tax credits, rebates, free parking, and HOV lane access.


    “There is a continuing trend among states to offer some type of incentive to support electric vehicle adoption,” Hartman said. These incentives are still in their early years, as are the studies to measure their effectiveness, but according to Hartman, “it appears that states that offer a variety of incentives tend to have higher rates of electric vehicle adoption.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...-vehicle-fees/



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    if not this nano-tech, then it will be others, sooner or later

    Nanowires Boost Hydrogen Production from Sunlight Tenfold

    http://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/...+Green+Tech%29

    and Gallium is abundant, available in bauxite.



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    if not this nano-tech, then it will be others, sooner or later

    Nanowires Boost Hydrogen Production from Sunlight Tenfold

    http://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/...+Green+Tech%29

    and Gallium is abundant, available in bauxite.


    Yep...

    They increase the efficiency from 0.29% to 2.9%.

    Wow...

    2.9% efficiency!

    http://www.greentechlead.com/solar/g...ficiency-24792

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    and Gallium is abundant, available in bauxite.
    The availability isn't the issue. It's making the 90 nm x 500 nm wires the way that's needed. then there is life...

    I'll bet they don't last long, unless using ultra pure water, in a sealed system!

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    Ford Survey Finds 90% Of Electric Car Owners Plan To Stick With Electric Drive


    A new survey of plug-in hybrid and electric car drivers by Ford Motor Company finds that 90% of the 10,000 people surveyed like driving a plug in hybrid or electric car and have no plans to go back to driving a gasoline-powered car in the future.



    Most of those who participated in the survey said that driving an electric car was just a nicer experience that driving a gasoline vehicle. Some of the reasons why this is so include that electric cars are quieter than their gasoline cousins. That seems to lead people to believe they have a smoother, more comfortable ride. Many respondents also singled out environment benefits as a primary motivator for their decision to drive an electric car.

    Stephanie Janczak, Ford’s manager of electric vehicle infrastructure and technology, said in a recent interview with CleanTechnica that most all-electric drivers say they would stay with that type of car in the future while plug-in hybrid owners were more inclined to consider switching to an all-electric vehicle for their next vehicle. The driving experience and an appreciation of clean technology were cited by many as the main reasons for staying electric, she said.

    http://gas2.org/2015/08/13/ford-surv...ers-satisfied/

    we really need huge battery breakthroughs ASAP.



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    Ford Survey Finds 90% Of Electric Car Owners Plan To Stick With Electric Drive


    A new survey of plug-in hybrid and electric car drivers by Ford Motor Company finds that 90% of the 10,000 people surveyed like driving a plug in hybrid or electric car and have no plans to go back to driving a gasoline-powered car in the future.



    Most of those who participated in the survey said that driving an electric car was just a nicer experience that driving a gasoline vehicle. Some of the reasons why this is so include that electric cars are quieter than their gasoline cousins. That seems to lead people to believe they have a smoother, more comfortable ride. Many respondents also singled out environment benefits as a primary motivator for their decision to drive an electric car.

    Stephanie Janczak, Ford’s manager of electric vehicle infrastructure and technology, said in a recent interview with CleanTechnica that most all-electric drivers say they would stay with that type of car in the future while plug-in hybrid owners were more inclined to consider switching to an all-electric vehicle for their next vehicle. The driving experience and an appreciation of clean technology were cited by many as the main reasons for staying electric, she said.

    http://gas2.org/2015/08/13/ford-surv...ers-satisfied/

    we really need huge battery breakthroughs ASAP.


    90% of 10,000 bat people are still bat
    no surprise

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    90% of 10,000 bat people are still bat
    no surprise
    LOL...

    Agreed. I don't see hybrids as being beneficial at all. Now I would love to have a Tesla though!

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    Bosch: 50 kWh Battery, Just 190 Kilograms

    The German company Bosch is apparently aiming to, over the coming years, create a 50 kilowatt-hour (kWh) battery for use in electric vehicles that only weighs 190 kilograms, based on recent comments made by a company researcher.

    Considering the amount of money that the company is currently pumping into related research — €400 million ($455 million) a year is being put into “electro-mobility” — that goal isn’t exactly surprising, but would be quite a game changer nonetheless.

    Dr Thorsten Ochs, head of battery technology R&D at the new Bosch research campus in Renningen, says that to achieve widespread acceptance of electromobility, mid-sized vehicles will need to have 50 kilowatt hours of usable energy.

    With conventional lead batteries, this would mean increasing the weight of the battery to 1.9 metric tons, even without wiring and the holder, he notes. Today’s lithium-ion batteries are superior in this respect, storing more than three times the amount of energy per kilogram.


    At a weight of 230 kilograms, the battery of a modern-day electric car provides approximately 18 to 30 kilowatt hours.

    But to achieve the desired 50 kilowatt hours, a battery weighing 380 to 600 kilograms would be necessary.

    Dr Ochs’ goal is to pack 50 kilowatt hours into 190 kilograms. In addition, the researchers are looking to significantly shorten the time a car needs to recharge.

    “Our new batteries should be capable of being loaded to 75% in less than 15 minutes,” Ochs says.

    According to Ochs, simply improving lithium technology will be enough to achieve these goals. The utilization of lithium in the anode, rather than graphite, would for instance make it possible to greatly increase storage capacity,

    http://cleantechnica.com/2015/10/16/...eanTechnica%29

    50 KwH in 190 Kg would solve a lot of the "range anxiety", but at what price? (and when?)

    In any case, Bosch spending $500M plus 100s of other research teams working on new battery tech will undoubtedly produce some fantastic breakthroughs. In not so distant future, the gas/diesel internal combustion engines are going to look incredibly stupid, primitive, expensive, complicated

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    LOL...

    Agreed. I don't see hybrids as being beneficial at all. Now I would love to have a Tesla though!
    Me too. However, the reason Tesla works is not necessarily because it appeals to people's environmental conscience but because it makes good looking, high performance, safe, and unique vehicles that just happen to also save you money on gas. Plus there is a $7500 federal tax credit which helps make it a tab more affordable.

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