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What happened to "Its in your smear article about the greenfyre guy that you keep linking."? Still can't defend your lies? This is getting embarrassing for you.
ecoterrorist (defined) "a person who uses violence in order to achieve environmentalist aims"
Quote where I called someone a communist in my articles.
post and removed the evidence. I never brought her up and you failed to quote where I did here or in my article. Your failures are adding up.
This is the thing that gets me.
You sit there and post this shit from random site describing someone associated with sourcewatch as:
you head the article withShe currently serves as Vice President of Communications at the Ms. Foundation for Women, and was formerly a Senior Vice President at Fenton Communications and a Communications Director for the Committee in Solidarity with the People of El Salvador (CISPES). Part of the Soviet-controlled World Peace Council, CISPES was established in America in 1980 by high-ranking members of the Salvadoran Communist Party and Cuban intelligence to support El Salvador's murderous guerrilla bands and to influence American public opinion through protests and one-sided disinformation.
then you scrounge up a newspaper article from over 20 years ago that says that another one of your blogging rivals was a member of this Earth First group and then proceed to scrounge up list a whole slew of articles describing how Earth First was a bunch of eco-terrorists that have done all of these horrible things the most of egregious of which resulted in a dropped charge that you don't mention.
and then you do not even have the stones to admit that you are calling them a communist or eco-terrorists. You are a cowardly shitbag, monkey.
"The man who does not do his own thinking is a slave, and is a traitor to himself and to his fellow-men." -George Ingersoll
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I remain committed to intellectual honesty, but I am seriously contemplating putting you on ignore.
I will not answer your question, until you admit your strawman.
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra:
"it is possible that warming for windmills vs. CO2 is about equal, and that the windmills will change the wind/climate in ways worse than CO2 ever could."
If you read through the "Apollo moon missions were faked in a studio" thread, the parallels become a lot clearer.
Cosmored gets booted for spamming, PopTech, seems to get booted for generally being an ass, and perhaps worse.
The truth of AGW's potentially catastrophic impacts is not affected by the quality of it's skeptics, but when those skeptics start exihibiting genuinely less than sane behavior, you should subject their claims to a great deal of careful scrutiny before accepting them as valid.Ack, I missed your PopTart wars, but reading “Andrew Banned: An Example of Needless Intimidation and Random Hate” it sure sounds all too familiar. Maybe we should pool our collective PopTart Droppings in one huge dungpile (crank.dot.net?) so that other bloggers can ban him right away & just link the heap so anyone who cares to will know what they are missing.
This goes for the people that are unable to provide first hand accounts of people faking moon landings as well as for those who are unable to show how their own skeptics are being unfair.
Last edited by RandomGuy; 05-04-2012 at 08:43 AM. Reason: clarity
Because it could not possibly be because of anything he has done, or weaknesses in his ideas, as he is faultless, and his ideas flawless.
Ok, that is one sweeping generalization.
Does the fact that some evironmentalists get violently radicalized mean that environmentalists are wrong about anything? Yes or no?
Carbon energy corp, Exxon and Kock Bros, spewing lies and confusion, buying "scientists", about global warming while their scientists try to figure out how they can increase business with global warming
ExxonMobil And Climate Change
Until 2005, ExxonMobil was run by Lee "Iron Ass" Raymond, a close friend of Vice President Dick Cheney and a skeptic of climate change. During Raymond's tenure, Exxon funded campaigns to challenge the validity of emerging science about climate change — specifically the findings that a global warming trend existed.
"This not only borrowed from some of the tactics that the tobacco industry had used to delay public understanding of the dangers of smoking; in some cases there were even overlaps of individuals and groups that were engaged in this communications campaign," Coll tells Fresh Air's Terry Gross. "A lot of corporate America opposed the Kyoto Accords. But only a small set of companies did what Exxon did, which was to really go after the science as aggressively as they did."
Coll says the campaign helped manufacture confusion and perpetual controversy about climate change.
"It created an impression in the media and the public that there was a raging, deep controversy among scientists, and there wasn't a controversy, at least after 2002, when the doubts fell away in the face of evidence," he says. "It was the evidence and the modeling and the very science that ExxonMobil was calling into doubt that gradually became more and more alarming and attracted more and more support within the scientific community."
Do you Kock suckers even know what you're sucking on?
Last edited by Poptech; 05-04-2012 at 09:51 AM.
It's amazing how you will take assertions from those two random blogs and pump up even the most tenuous links. Those two united blogs are great. You just have it written through them so you can make the connection but claim you didn't. It's a text book smear campaign as you do it against ask of your"enemies"
Earth First! Journal.
Hey isn't that the organization Greenfyre founded a chapter of? Small world.Theodore "the Unabomber" Kaczynski is the radical environmental movement's biggest black eye. Conventional wisdom dictates that Kaczynski was merely an intellectual serial-killer, but his connection to Earth First! and the broader eco-terror movement is undeniable.
When FBI agents raided Kaczynski's Montana cabin in April 1996, they found copies of the Earth First! Journal, as well as an Earth First! affiliated publication called Live Wild or Die. This broadsheet, funded by Mike Roselle, included a now-famous "Eco-F*cker Hit List."
At the top of the Hit List was the California Forestry Association. In the middle was a prominent cartoon about the Exxon Valdez oil spill. Kaczynski sent dozens of mail bombs; three were fatal. He killed an employee of the California Forestry Association, and a Burson-Marsteller PR executive named Thomas Mosser. Kaczynski (mistakenly) believed that Burson-Marsteller was responsible for rehabilitating Exxon's public image after the 1989 Valdez oil spill.
The source of that mistake? An essay in the Earth First! Journal, which the FBI says was one of Kaczynski's "favorite" periodicals. A letter found in Kaczynski's cabin -- titled "Suggestion for Earth First!ers from FC" ["FC" was the Unabomber's pseudonym] -- read in part: "As for the Mosser bombing, our attention was called to Burston-Marsteller [sic] by an article that appeared in the Earth First! Litha." The reference to "Litha" is in keeping with the Journal's habit of naming its issues after (pagan) lunar-calendar months.
According to ABC News and other media outlets, the FBI also believes that Kaczynski attended an Earth First! gathering just one month before murdering Mosser.
1) Ted is a mass murderer.
2) Ted reads "Earth first".
3) Greenfyre founded a chapter.
Fallacy: Guilt By Association
Also Known as: Bad Company Fallacy, Company that You Keep Fallacy
Description of Guilt By Association
Guilt by Association is a fallacy in which a person rejects a claim simply because it is pointed out that people she dislikes accept the claim. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:
It is pointed out that people person A does not like accept claim P.
Therefore P is false
It is clear that sort of "reasoning" is fallacious. For example the following is obviously a case of poor "reasoning": "You think that 1+1=2. But, Adolf Hitler, Charles Manson, Joseph Stalin, and Ted Bundy all believed that 1+1=2. So, you shouldn't believe it."
The fallacy draws its power from the fact that people do not like to be associated with people they dislike. Hence, if it is shown that a person shares a belief with people he dislikes he might be influenced into rejecting that belief. In such cases the person will be rejecting the claim based on how he thinks or feels about the people who hold it and because he does not want to be associated with such people.
Of course, the fact that someone does not want to be associated with people she dislikes does not justify the rejection of any claim. For example, most wicked and terrible people accept that the earth revolves around the sun and that lead is heavier than helium. No sane person would reject these claims simply because this would put them in the company of people they dislike (or even hate).
Person A would be, well just about anyone, but in this case it would be PopTart.1)It is pointed out that people person A does not like accept claim P.
2)Therefore P is false
People that A doesn't like would be Ted and Greenfyre
Claim P could either be "AGW" or "Andrew of PopTech is a sophistic sack of shit"
So let's put this together.
1] Ted accepts AGW.
2] Therefore AGW is false.
This is flawed reasoning. We cannot assume AGW is false because Ted thinks it is true.
1] Ted accepts newsletters from Greenfyres group. Greenfyre and Ted must agree on a lot of things, and Greenfyre thinks that Andrew of PopTech is a sophist sack of shit.
2] Therefore the fact that Andrew of Poptech is a sophsit sack of shit is false.
This is flawed reasoning. We cannot assume the fact that Andrew of Poptech is a sophist sack of shit is false, because Greenfyre thinks it is true.
Of course, I could be wrong here. I have to try and figure out why PT would try to link a mass murder to a guy who points out the weaknesses in PT's arguments.
I'm just guessing. Maybe PT would care to explain it to me to clear up anything I might have gotten wrong here.
But there is association, hence the ad. Marketing works that way, right? Are we suppose to disallow free speech marketing practices? Are you equally concerned when your side does the same thing?
I miss the 1/2 hr News hour...
I thought we were talking about science.
If any environmentalist group tried linking climate skeptics to mass murderers, I would most definitely say that was dumb, and shameful.
Why have you not called this dumb and shameful?
Do you believe AGW is wrong because Ted thinks it is right?
I say there is an association. Is this factual or not?But there is association, hence the ad.
See the question mark? Am I agreeing it should work that way, or am I making a point?Marketing works that way, right?
See the question mark? Are you suggesting we clamp down on the first amendment?Are we suppose to disallow free speech marketing practices?
See the question mark? You grill me for not immediately reacting negative to this, but I rarely see you do the same when it is effective slander against someone you dislike.Are you equally concerned when your side does the same thing?
When's the last time you stood against a lie or negative association that would effectively defend president Bush? What about any other politician you don't like? What about when there is clear misinformation about any subject we debate?
How often do you say it isn't right?
Please hold yourself to a standard before asking other to.
His sourcewatch material he basically got a nice Soviet effigy and copied from some neo-con Borowitz and what is a 'lobbying' group for the beer and tobacco industries, Center for Consumer Freedom. At least thats what the source he is smearing has to say.
He took the greenfyre's real name and went to a research database which popped out that Earth First article. He went from there and posted every single bad thing that he could find about Earth First and uploaded something that looks to be from an old newsgroup on google docs.
DeSmogblog lists its Foundation's contributors. Well he took that information and found out one of their contributors company was investigated and found guilty for gambling so he puts all that shit up there.
He is very butthurt about his banning and the deletion of his posts on on skeptical science. He posted a goofy picture of the admin and whined of being taunted. Why would anyone not want.him around?
He 'revealed' that ClimateScience.org was associated with Al Gore.
I bet if he could find something on one of us, he would feel zero compunction of doing the same. In his own little way thats what he is doing with his mini-smear of the RG.
His forum is not so much for discussion as it is to store all of his 'arguments' and 'facts.' Hes argued the global warming shit from very angle possible angle for most of a decade. He has recently switched the titles to include 'alarmism.' That is now his canned response to anyone who doesn't acknowledge how he has moved the goalposts.
You can read that shit and see how his sophistry evolves. Thats how his list got started: he was doing more rebuttal storage for the argument that there weren't many skeptics he started trolling academic databases and cherrypicking a list. But he does this with most everything, including you if your not careful. If you register on his site, you are a dumbass.
Its all the stereotypical neocon bullshit: climate, unions, alternative energy, how alcohol is good and drugs are bad, muslims are all trying to wipe us off the face of the earth, AIDS is all for drug addicts and queers, pure capitalism or its tainted, and all that type of thing. He even goes into that same mode arguing over the security supremacy of Microsoft products or trying to protect their image over the threat that is Linux.
I have said that Darrin is a deceptive sophist shitbag but quite frankly I had no idea what a deceptive cowardly sophist shitbag was until I met this guy.
Whats missing is the racist shit though. So I just have to ask, monkey: if you were to have a daughter, would you let her marry a black man?
The guy is a high-functioning sociopath. I hesitated to tell him I was an accountant, and have little doubt he has combed through my profile here.
I am genuinely concerned.
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