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    So its better to not have a job then do something that one feels is beneath you?
    It is not possible to support a middle class family with such a job.

    Most people my age are going back to college if they ever hope to have a middle class family. Unfortunately, the USA's colleges are mostly for-profit corporations at this point, with plenty of literally fake colleges that just steal people's money.

    The middle class is shrinking.

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    If that's what you wish to believe. I know I cannot change your mind.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not one to automatically defend republicans. I just despise your lies. There was far more going on than legislation that the elected republicans in congress did, in fact, they tried to stop many things that lead to out current failures. Too bad your partisan ass doesn't recognize it.

    Was it the republicans in congress that changed the short selling rules?

    Was it the republicans in congress that defended the lending practices when brought into question?

    Think about what you say before you say it. The answer to your question is that it was unelected establishment officials, and democrats that did all this.
    Too bad you don't start to comprehend your ignorance on the topic.

    https://docs.google.com/present/view...zq7n_0cdjsr4fn

    Any whiff of government oversight or SEC regulation that might have promoted some transparency or responsible business practices was quashed like a bug.

    Do you really doubt that I could find Republicans in Congress complaining about "government overreach" and how government would "stifle innovation" when it came to imposing sane regulations on the financial industry?

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    Too bad you don't start to comprehend your ignorance on the topic.

    https://docs.google.com/present/view...zq7n_0cdjsr4fn

    Any whiff of government oversight or SEC regulation that might have promoted some transparency or responsible business practices was quashed like a bug.

    Do you really doubt that I could find Republicans in Congress complaining about "government overreach" and how government would "stifle innovation" when it came to imposing sane regulations on the financial industry?
    cartoons...

    Is that your mentality?

    My point on the matter was that republicans did bring up the concern or mortgage practices, in 2003 if I recall correctly. Prominent democrats held fast that there was no problems with the system.

    Do you dispute this?

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    A quick search revealed this:



    I can find more if I must, but I hope you will do your own homework.

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    We need to reduce taxes on the super rich even further so they'll create more jobs.

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    We need to reduce taxes on the super rich even further so they'll create more jobs.
    I don't know if that's true. The super rich generally pay at capital gains rates rather than income tax rates. It's the small business owner ending up paying that 35% that concerns me.

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    Of the innumerable obstacles facing current and prospective small business owners and their ability to create jobs, a 3% tax increase on income over $250K or $1MM is the least of them.

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    Of the innumerable obstacles facing current and prospective small business owners and their ability to create jobs, a 3% tax increase on income over $250K or $1MM is the least of them.
    Or, as it's known amongst Democrats, the Bush tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires.

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    Of the innumerable obstacles facing current and prospective small business owners and their ability to create jobs, a 3% tax increase on income over $250K or $1MM is the least of them.
    We need more tax payers. not higher taxes.

    Socialism is great, until you run out of enough tax payers.

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    We need more tax payers. not higher taxes.
    More jobs = more taxpayers.

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    More jobs = more taxpayers.
    Yes, and taxing the job providers more makes it more difficult for them to make more jobs.

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    Yes, and taxing the job providers more makes it more difficult for them to make more jobs.
    And I'll say again that a 3% tax increase on income over $250K or $1MM is the least of their problems when it comes to creating jobs.

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    "taxing the job providers more makes it more difficult for them to make more jobs"

    bull . paying for health care is much heavier. A hard-core public insurance option would lift a huge burden from (small) business.

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    Yes, and taxing the job providers more makes it more difficult for them to make more jobs.
    If they have the work to fuel their profits they will hire regardless of taxes because the work needs to get done.
    Taxes is not such a big deal as you make it out to be.

    Companies have done a good job of down sizing to maximise profits and they are going to keep it that way regardless of taxes. They are getting more out of their workers, longer work days, more streamlining of work processes ect.

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    cartoons...

    Is that your mentality?
    No, I was just trying to get it to a level you could understand.









    HA! man you left yourself open for that zinger. To hard to resist.

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    Yes, and taxing the job providers more makes it more difficult for them to make more jobs.












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    I don't know if that's true. The super rich generally pay at capital gains rates rather than income tax rates. It's the small business owner ending up paying that 35% that concerns me.
    35% only on income above a certain level. After the various deductions, actual effective rates come out vastly different.

    The other thing is that hiring decisions = labor costs, and they come out of pre-tax income.

    If your overall INCOME is over $250,000 per year, assuming your profit margin was 20%, then your personal income taxes represent a pretty small portion of your expenses.

    Sorry, it just doesn't have the effects you think it does.

    The number of "small business owners" that fall into that category is smaller than Fox "news" would have you believe.

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    "Taxes is not such a big deal as you make it out to be"

    big deal? it's a VRWC red herring. just like national debt is a red herring.
    Last edited by boutons_deux; 02-07-2011 at 03:36 PM.

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    I'm gainfully employed.
    You've got your own Rust Belt bums to blame for that I suppose. Kindly leave us Texans out of it.

    I never said you.


    Why would i blame high paying jobs on anyone???

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    It is not possible to support a middle class family with such a job.

    Most people my age are going back to college if they ever hope to have a middle class family. Unfortunately, the USA's colleges are mostly for-profit corporations at this point, with plenty of literally fake colleges that just steal people's money.

    The middle class is shrinking.

    That's utter BS. If you can't make it a go on a job like i mentioned here you're not very good at managing money.

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    Everyone is such an expert about raising taxes on SB and how to create jobs but I wonder how many here actually have created jobs?


    How about the "experts" on here that work for someone else take on the risk/headaches and then they'll appreciate business owners a little more.

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    Why would i blame high paying jobs on anyone???
    Why you keep minimizing epochally high unemployment is more relevant to the discussion. Why do you do that?

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    What was the Republican job plan, Darrin?

    Be specific.
    Lower taxes, obviously.

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    Why you keep minimizing epochally high unemployment is more relevant to the discussion. Why do you do that?

    I'm sure it has to do with the tea party, Palin or most likely Bush.

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    I asked you. Is that your answer?

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