For the millionth time, it was a learning process. He just started being Batman. Ignoring that huge fact doesn't make it go away. Nolan's Batman faced Scarecrow, the League of Shadows, and mobsters before meeting the Joker.
You want Batman to know how to deal with super villains without any experience with them. That is bad writing. There is no development at all. There is no suspense.
I think Ive beat this dead horse to death.
Ive used several examples from the first two burton films to show the characteristics/personality of "Batman". This was done so well Fox used a carbon copy of the character for their 90s cartoon.
I dont even consider Bale's character "Batman". His characteristic dont exist. Hes just a rich dude in a suit fighting crime who would rather just QUIT if he could. Sorry, but I was thoroughly unimpressed with your defense. About as unimpressed with Nolan's movies.
The "know your limits" scene where Bruce's shirt is off and all of his bruises are shown. He also was sewing his own wounds, which takes some dedication.
Sorry that Batman in Nolan's movies isn't perfect at everything. Sorry that he had to learn.
Nothing is more compelling than somebody who is great at everything and doesn't make mistakes.
Thats what you dont get. He didnt learn shit except to ask his fucking butler!!! Hes SUPPOSE to obsess and come to the conclusion on his own.
Nolan doesnt want to waste time developing characters so he has Wayne just ask Alfred.
Bad. Writing.
That scene was meant to convey that Bruce is getting beat up and one of the reasons as to why Bruce wants to QUIT BEING BATMAN!
Thats not an example of "obsessiveness." Its meant to gain audience sympathy for why Bruce wants to quit.
Batman gets help from others all the time. And it's not like this version ran straight to Alfred and asked him what to do.
Wanting a boring, perfect Batman.
No..wanting a clever, obsessive, mysterious batman.
How is that an either or situation? The scene shows how Bruce's OBSESSIVE crime fighting was taking a toll on his body. To claim otherwise would be to lie.
You could make a case that this is an example of Batman being "driven". But not "obsessive".
If he was obsessive, he wouldnt be trying to quit. In fact, thats just the opposite.
No, one cannot make a case for that. He wanted to quit AND he had and obsessive drive to rid Gotham of crime.
Try again.
Keaton's batman is extremely mysterious. Theres several times (especially with scenes with the Joker and Catwoman) in which youre not sure what his character is going to do or handle a situation. He kills the joker, spares max shrek, semi-kills the penguin, asks cat-woman to run away with him etc.
Likewise, theres additional mystery surrounding the back story of his character because everything from his car to how many cowls he buys isnt explained to death like in Nolan's films.
Maybe thats because Nolan wanted a true "origin" story but whatever.
Yeah, consistency is lame. Batman should behave erra--I mean, mysteriously.
DING DING DING!!!! Ever wonder why the first movie is Batman Begins? It took you this many posts to realize this? You've probably typed the words Burton and Keaton about 100 times before finally realizing these are supposed to be different movies. You're jizzing your pants WAAAAY too much over mystery
After all this time DSF still enjoys becoming a forum jizz rag. It's good to know some things never change
Youre such a tool.After all this time DSF still enjoys becoming a forum jizz rag. It's good to know some things never change
Has that motherfucker DSF learned how to capitalize his O's?
And you just got shit on by CubanSucks in this thread. Do you realize just what an obtuse little cheesedick you have to be for CubanSucks to dominate you on an intellectual level? lol arizona state educated moron.
So far, reviews seem to set it above Batman Begins, but below TDK. 94% on rotten tomatoes.
Your bitterness is astounding.
Have you managed to find that quote from "Seven seconds or less" where it says Amare developed a jump shot during his micro-fracture rehab?
Still waiting..years later.
Of course, that was a distant second to when you changed that Al Capone quote!
Btw - I wasnt really even debating "CubanSucks". I was debating Redzero.
Seriously, how can you be so stupid? You own yourself.
Richard Corliss of Time Magazine wrote:
For once a melodrama with pulp origins convinces viewers that it can be the modern equivalent to Greek myths or a Jonathan Swift satire. TDKR is that big, that bitter -- a film of grand ambitions and epic achievement.
Peter Travers of Rolling Stone wrote:
The sheer scope of Nolan's vision – with emotion and spectacle thundering across the screen – is staggering. The Dark Knight Rises is the King Daddy of summer movie epics.
Todd McCarthy of The Hollywood Reporter wrote:
The best of the Nolan series. Big-time Hollywood filmmaking at its most massively accomplished, this last installment of Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy makes everything in the rival Marvel universe look thoroughly silly and childish.
The Daily Telegraph wrote:
After a breathless, bravura final act, a nuclear payload of catharsis brings The Dark Knight Rises, and Nolan's trilogy, to a ferociously satisfying close.
Justin Chang of Variety wrote:
This hugely ambitious action-drama retains the moral urgency and serious-minded pulp instincts that have made the Warners franchise a beacon of integrity in an increasingly comicbook-driven Hollywood universe. Global B.O. domination awaits.
Show Stopping. Dazzling. Epic. Brilliant. A masterpiece.
Every single actor is being highly praised as well. Bane is a badass, Hathaway surpasses Michelle Pfeifer, Oldman kills it, Joseph Gordon Lovets surprisingly big role is top notch, Bale is superb as always, but its MICHAEL CAINE's old Alfred which is said to be garnering the Oscar buzz.
My only real complaint about the first two Batman movies is both movies involve crooked cops and gangsters yet you don't hear fuck once because they wanted the PG-13 rating. I understand a superhero movie isn't gonna be perfectly "realistic" but that's the type of unrealistic I find stupid.
you're seriously complaining because they don't cuss enough? Are you 16 yrs old?
rofl good to know i turned your balloon knot into such a gaping wide hole that you still remember shit i did years agoYour bitterness is astounding.
Have you managed to find that quote from "Seven seconds or less" where it says Amare developed a jump shot during his micro-fracture rehab?
Still waiting..years later.
Of course, that was a distant second to when you changed that Al Capone quote!
Btw - I wasnt really even debating "CubanSucks". I was debating Redzero.
Seriously, how can you be so stupid? You own yourself.
I wonder if certain "individuals" are getting worried about the some of the reviews this movie is getting. There was so much hype around TDK it was bound to get a lot of positive reviews. It seems like now that "critics" have been able to take a step back and a deep breath from TDK, the reviews for this film will be more down to earth. That isn't a bad thing though. Just don't expect RT or other review sites to have a consensus 90% positive review for the film.
Spurs Depth:
PG: Parker, CJ, De Colo, Mills
SG: Manu, Green, Neal
SF: Kawhi, TMac
PF: Duncan, Diaw, Bonner
C: Splitter, Baynes, Blair
"So the final image of Ginobili isn’t that he lost a bronze medal. It’s what he did to try to win one." -
Buck Harvey
Still crazy after all these years. “And I love that,” Jackson said. “I’d rather play with someone like him, who plays hard and gets hurt, than someone who is afraid.”
- SJAX regarding Manu
Looks like it may fall below Batman Begins on the tomatometer but doesn't necessarily mean it will be worse. The critic rating is currently 8.7/10 which is higher than its predecessors.
I don't expect it to be better than either of the previous two films. What little I've seen so far looks bad. Dialogue is painful. The tone is strange. Dumb villain/new character choices.
wtf is up with that one preview where they are just talking about the lack of in Bruce's knee
Code:Mookie2001: they say ramonce taylor makes reggie bush look like rasho
I wanna know where tha gold at? Stooooooops!
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