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    but I do know that there is no other President I would want to be responsible with this authority than Obama..
    too bad, they all have it now

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    Guy wanted war with the US and got it...so be it...

    U.S. officials allege that Al-Awlaki spoke with and preached to a number of al-Qaeda members and affiliates, including three of the 9/11 hijackers,[17] alleged Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hasan,[18][19] and alleged "Christmas Day bomber" Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab;[20][21][22] he was also allegedly involved in planning the latter's attack. The Yemeni government began trying him in absentia in November 2010, for plotting to kill foreigners and being a member of al-Qaeda, and a Yemenite judge ordered that he be captured "dead or alive".[23][24]

    According to U.S. officials, al-Awlaki was promoted to the rank of "regional commander" within al-Qaeda in 2009.[25][26] He repeatedly called for jihad against the United States.[27][28] In April 2010, American President Obama approved Al-Awlaki's targeted killing,[29][30][31] an action unprecedented for an American citizen and an action unsuccessfully challenged by al-Awlaki's father and civil rights groups.[32][29][30][31]

    Al-Awlaki was believed to be in hiding in Southeast Yemen in the last years of his life.[23] The U.S. deployed unmanned aircraft in Yemen to search for and kill him,[33] firing at and failing to kill him at least once,[34] before he was killed in a drone attack in Yemen on September 30, 2011.[35] Two weeks later Al-Awlaki's 16 year old son, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, a U.S. citizen who was born in Denver, was also killed by an American drone strike in Yemen.[36][37][38] Nasser al-Awlaki, the father of Anwar and grandfather of Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, recorded an audio to condemn the killings of his son and grandson.[39]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki

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    too bad, they all have it now
    Unless its cons utionality can challenged before the Obama administration ends...

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    btw I essentially agree with you that Congress is strengthening the hand of the executive.

    You like it cause your guy gets the goodies. You won't like it so much when a GOP clown car occupant whips Obama next year.

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    Unless its cons utionality can challenged before the Obama administration ends...
    Do you pray, Dan?

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    btw I essentially agree with you that Congress is strengthening then hand of the executive.

    You like it cause your guy gets the goodies. You won't like it so much when a GOP clown car occupant whips Obama next year.
    Should give people pause to really think about who they are voting for next year though....

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    They say at the end we are all prayers...

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    you said Obama didn't order anyone killed. you were wrong. it's hardly nitpicking to say you were wrong from the get go, just a first impression. details to follow...
    Last edited by Winehole23; 12-23-2011 at 03:19 AM.

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    They say at the end we are all prayers...
    no atheists in foxholes and all that rot

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    your prayer has a better chance than judicial review, JMO

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    you said Obama didn't order anyone killed. you were wrong.
    Al Awalaki was a terrorist.

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    our government said he was one

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    but he was still a US citizen

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    you can't paper that over with the terrorist label. er gets a fair trial before we hang him.

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    a secretly determined and overseen death list of US citizens is a bad, bad idea.

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    ...and hopefully this can be decided by the courts, but I have a feeling that you shouldn't hold your breath for the Robert's court to side against the government on this one..

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    ...but we are straying away from the main point of this thread...which was that Obama is a disaster to civil liberties...I contend it is the Roberts court and the GOP house which are disasters to civil liberties...

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    Awlaki is your mortal enemy now, but 40 minutes ago you had no idea who he was. I admire your decisiveness.

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    Awlaki is your mortal enemy now, but 40 minutes ago you had no idea who he was. I admire your decisiveness.
    I'd heard of some of his history, but was unaware of the particulars of his life, from everything I read he was a bad guy, his trial, military or criminal, would have been procedural, he was an active enemy combatant...what else is there to know?

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    ...but we are straying away from the main point of this thread...which was that Obama is a disaster to civil liberties...I contend it is the Roberts court and the GOP house which are disasters to civil liberties...
    it's all their fault!









    (just keep hitting the snooze bar. everything's fine.)

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    The Patriot Act was the worst thing to civil liberties in this history of this country, wasn't Obama's policies.

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    he was an active enemy combatant
    srsly?

    what yer source on that?

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    what did he do?

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    The Patriot Act was the worst thing to civil liberties in this history of this country, wasn't Obama's policies.
    history is long. it didn't begin when Bush became president in 2000, it won't end when some GOP clownbot knocks over Obama in 2012.

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    nighty nite

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