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    I am that guy RandomGuy's Avatar
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    I would guess they figure the tipping point I was talking about to be about $20/kw

    So they are going to be at $125 per k/w, and this is down from $470 per k/w relatively recently.


    This is where U.S. compe ive advantage in innovation will win out in the long run, IMO.
    bump. Poptech missed it.

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    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...-the-wind.html

    10Q: How AES Captures and Stores the Wind

    Making batteries twice as cheap means they can afford to store twice as much power.

    They are talking 50MW chunks, up to 400MW storage.

    An interesting point is that this capacity is instantly available, increasing the stability of the grid.
    This also increases overall demand for renewables, with their fixed fuel costs, i.e. zero.

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    Within the next decade the naysayers are going to see a lot of changes. It is interesting seeing all these new business models popping up.

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    next commodity boom/speculation/scarcity? lithium

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    Pretty good guesss, tbh.

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    Giving Hydrogen Fuel-Cell Cars Another Chance



    http://www.slate.com/articles/techno...n_.single.html

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    next commodity boom/speculation/scarcity? lithium
    Maybe asteroid mining.

    I forget, can we find it there?

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    We don't need subsidies there. All these makers know there is a market for a viable solution. The first to patent it will make out big. Besides, rather than hydrogen fuel cells, we need to focus on methane fuel cells. Methane is more easily stored than hydrogen.

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    next commodity boom/speculation/scarcity? lithium
    Possibly.


    Until they find a technology that doesn't require it. There are some interesting possibilities out there.

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    We don't need subsidies there. All these makers know there is a market for a viable solution. The first to patent it will make out big. Besides, rather than hydrogen fuel cells, we need to focus on methane fuel cells. Methane is more easily stored than hydrogen.
    Oddly enough, one large stony asteroid pulled into orbit woud make hydrogen fuel cells, and their platinum catalyst plates a lot cheaper.

    (have to double check about that, but I am pretty sure most fuel cell designs require platinium as a non-consumable catalyst, which is why they are not cost effective)

    Heh, we will see if the asteroid miners can change the game.

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    http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-57...lash-ev-costs/

    Finally, an EV that will meet real world expectations? Maybe just a whiff of this will help the Chevy Volt stay alive until the technology can be delivered.
    in regards to the latter: Looks so, and looks to give Chevy some operational experience.

    Interesting to check in on this nine years later. Not a vast sea-change in the last nine years, in terms of widespread use, but there has been a sea-change in investment, and the next decade will see that come to pass.

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    Ford jolts auto industry with $11.4 billion investment in new electric vehicle, battery plants
    "We're on the cusp of a revolution," Ford Executive Chairman Bill Ford tells "NBC Nightly News."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ctric-n1280182

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    This may not be the one,

    but there will be one or more transformative battery breakthroughs

    Battery Breakthrough Provides Five Times The Driving Range Of Lithium-Ion At A Lower Price

    https://www.torquenews.com/15975/bat...on-lower-price

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    1 in 5 Tesla owners switch back to gas due to hassle of charging

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    Barry Obama and Joey B all for the EV revolution.

    Fat Orange Communist and Oil Pig Cucks blocking advancement.

    Russian oil huge for Pootins economy.

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    Within the next decade the naysayers are going to see a lot of changes. It is interesting seeing all these new business models popping up.
    Called it.

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    Barry Obama and Joey B all for the EV revolution.

    Fat Orange Communist and Oil Pig Cucks blocking advancement.

    Russian oil huge for Pootins economy.
    for a second, that looked a bit like a haiku

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    Kaboom

    Didnt know Teslas have such ty escape in case of a battery explosion. You have.to reach to somehow remove the cover that has the manual door operator


    that never getting one of those deathtraps


    Also at the Tesla recommendation that you need to pour 3000-5000 gallons of water on an exploded battery

    A firetruck only has like 1000 gallons




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    benny johnson digging up 2010 videos for a failed gotcha
    people who still think "but how does the car charge LOL" is an intelligent gotcha

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    Once they perfect the sodium solid state batteries or a similar tech then electric vehicles will destroy ICE. Sodium has the same outer valence and a better energy density at a similar development point. It also doesn't crystallize and arc.

    Until then the batteries are prohibitive for real general use.
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    So how much more efficient do you think your typical power turbine is as opposed to your typical V6?

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