High Gas Prices: Obama's Half-Truths vs. Reality

[CosmicCowboy]

Seems like Chump is trying to guess at your opinion in the quoted. Does he reveal his own? I feel less certain than you that Chump is making the claim you keep trying impute to him.

(RG's point about refining capacity steadily climbing showed your flame war with ChumpDumper as being totally beside the point wrt to the OP, imho, but I understand there's a history there...

I'm quite aware that there is a glut of worldwide refining capacity making some older plants uncompe ive with the newer plants being built in India, China, and the Middle East.

[CosmicCowboy]

Actually it fits in with the point I made about foreign markets for refined products. I'm sure CC doesn't understand that either.

You certainly are sure about a lot of things that turn out to be dead wrong.

[ChumpDumper]

You certainly are sure about a lot of things that turn out to be dead wrong.

The US exported 19,103,000 barrels of gasoline in December alone.

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/Lea...s=mgfexus1&f=m

Tell me what I got wrong there.

[Winehole23]

Actually it fits in with the point I made about foreign markets for refined products.

fair enough. it does fit.

CC doesn't understand that either.

looks like he acknowledges the point, but wants to spin it differently

[ChumpDumper]

fair enough. it does fit.

When you read it without a hostile bias born from butthurt, it's quite easy to understand.

looks like he acknowledges the point, but wants to spin it differently

His ego won't allow anything else.

[CosmicCowboy]

The US exported 19,103,000 barrels of gasoline in December alone.

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/Lea...s=mgfexus1&f=m

Tell me what I got wrong there.

Nothing, but as usual that wasn't what I was talking about and you just tried to change the subject. I'm actually fairly knowledgeable about refining and our export capability. I'm not the one talking about cause/effect from closing some obsolete refineries with higher gasoline prices at the pump.

And calling me ignorant or stupid doesn't make THAT true either.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not the one talking about cause/effect from closing some obsolete refineries with higher gasoline prices at the pump.

Um, that's all you've been talking about today.

Man, you are in some serious denial, CC. Or is something really wrong with you?

[CosmicCowboy]

Um, that's all you've been talking about today.

Man, you are in some serious denial, CC. Or is something really wrong with you?

What am I supposedly in denial of Bouchump?

[ChumpDumper]

What am I supposedly in denial of Bouchump?

Of talking about what we have been talking about all day; even if most of it concerned you complete misreading of the actual sentences in the discussion.

[CosmicCowboy]

Of talking about what we have been talking about all day; even if most of it concerned you complete misreading of the actual sentences in the discussion.

Sorry, your backup beeper distracted me...

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry, your backup beeper distracted me...

Didn't back up once.

You failed.

[CosmicCowboy]

Didn't back up once.

You failed.

So in your opinion is there, or is there not a supply/demand cause/effect relationship between random oil companies closing obsolete refineries and gas prices going up at the pump?

Simple yes/no question.

I'll give you ANOTHER chance to dodge it and create another argument totally unrelated to the simple question.

[ChumpDumper]

So in your opinion is there, or is there not a supply/demand cause/effect relationship between random oil companies closing obsolete refineries and gas prices going up at the pump?

Simple yes/no question.

I'll give you ANOTHER chance to dodge it and create another argument totally unrelated to the simple question.

No need to dodge anything. I have already answered this several times. My thoughts on this are very clear.

You still don't understand after all these hours?

Simple yes or no question.

[CosmicCowboy]

And another Chump duck/dodge...

How predictable

[ChumpDumper]

And another Chump duck/dodge...

How predictable

Sorry, CC. I don't feel the need to repeat myself again as charity for you.

What I said at 10 this morning still stands. No backtracking.

I can't make you understand it. I can't make you less stupid. I can't make you less butthurt.

Quit asking me for handouts.

[CosmicCowboy]

My specific claim was that shutting down refineries for any reason drives the price of gas up.

Oh OK...

[ChumpDumper]

And that's funny because?

BTW that was 11:21.

You're too stupid to even read time stamps now. Congratulations.

[CosmicCowboy]

And that's funny because?

BTW that was 11:21.

You're too stupid to even read time stamps now. Congratulations.

The US exported 19,103,000 barrels of gasoline in December alone.

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/Lea...s=mgfexus1&f=m

Tell me what I got wrong there.

Well, does closing obsolete refineries drive up the price of gas at the pump?

Make up your mind!

[CosmicCowboy]

You make a supply/demand argument for the US market and then refute it two pages later.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, does closing obsolete refineries drive up the price of gas at the pump?

Make up your mind!

Hey, I can't make you read the entire 10 AM post either, idiot.

[ChumpDumper]

You make a supply/demand argument for the US market and then refute it two pages later.

I can't make you read the entire 10 AM post, idiot.

[ChumpDumper]

And if you lower the supply of say, refined gasoline by shutting down less profitable refineries -- prices and profits can go up.

Also profits can be maximized by shipping prodict to the market that pays the most.

This certainly seems to be the easier route for the oil companies, since that's what they have actually done.

If you can prove to me that several oil companies would actively seek an oil and gas glut in this country in an attempt to undercut compe ion, I would accept every argument the Heritage Foundation vomits up.

[CosmicCowboy]

So did we have a gasoline shortage and I somehow missed it? I haven't seen any lines at the gas stations and I haven't read or heard of any supply disruptions...

[ChumpDumper]

So you want to make another straw man now?

I don't blame you.

[CosmicCowboy]

If you want to make a supply/demand argument for high gas prices at the pump you might at least want to back it up with SOMETHING besides calling me an idiot for calling you out.