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    California Is First State to Ban Trans Fats
    By JENNIFER STEINHAUER

    LOS ANGELES — California became the first state in the nation to place a ban on trans fats in restaurants and retail baked goods Friday when Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a bill to phase out their use over the next few years. Under the new law, the artificial fats must be excised from restaurants beginning in 2010, and from all retail baked goods by 2011.

    New York City passed a regulation banning the fats in 2006, and the law became fully effective on July 1. Philadelphia, Stamford, Conn., and Montgomery County, Md., have passed similar laws.

    “California is a leader in promoting health and nutrition, and I am pleased to continue that tradition by being the first state in the nation to phase out trans fats,” Mr. Schwarzenegger said. “Consuming trans fat is linked to coronary heart disease, and today we are taking a strong step toward creating a healthier future for California.”

    The bill, which would end the use of oils, margarine and shortening containing trans fats to prepare foods in restaurants, bakeries, delicatessens, cafeterias and other businesses classified as “food facilities,” was written by Democratic Assemblyman Tony Mendoza, who represents an area in southern California with a large number of fast food restaurants.

    Violations would incur fines of $25 to $1,000. Food sold in manufacturer-sealed packaging would be exempt.

    California, a frequent public policy bellwether, may well lead the way toward other state-wide bans, which are being considered in over a dozen other states. Such bills are usually opposed by restaurants and their trade groups.

    Trans fat has been found in scientific studies to increase bad cholesterol, which can lead to heart disease, contribute to other diseases, such as diabetes and coronary heart disease. Coronary heart disease is California’s leading cause of death.

    California, which supplies a great deal of the nation’s specialty crops and other goods, already has some of the toughest food restrictions in the nation, including a ban on junk food, and on trans-fats in school meals.

    A ban in the nation’s largest state is likely to push many national restaurant chains to alter their menus. Already, Wendy’s, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Taco Bell, the Cheesecake Factory and McDonalds have begun to move away from trans fats because of consumer concerns.

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    California Is First State to Ban Trans Fats
    By JENNIFER STEINHAUER

    LOS ANGELES — California became the first state in the nation to place a ban on trans fats in restaurants and retail baked goods Friday when Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a bill to phase out their use over the next few years. Under the new law, the artificial fats must be excised from restaurants beginning in 2010, and from all retail baked goods by 2011.

    New York City passed a regulation banning the fats in 2006, and the law became fully effective on July 1. Philadelphia, Stamford, Conn., and Montgomery County, Md., have passed similar laws.

    “California is a leader in promoting health and nutrition, and I am pleased to continue that tradition by being the first state in the nation to phase out trans fats,” Mr. Schwarzenegger said. “Consuming trans fat is linked to coronary heart disease, and today we are taking a strong step toward creating a healthier future for California.”

    The bill, which would end the use of oils, margarine and shortening containing trans fats to prepare foods in restaurants, bakeries, delicatessens, cafeterias and other businesses classified as “food facilities,” was written by Democratic Assemblyman Tony Mendoza, who represents an area in southern California with a large number of fast food restaurants.

    Violations would incur fines of $25 to $1,000. Food sold in manufacturer-sealed packaging would be exempt.

    California, a frequent public policy bellwether, may well lead the way toward other state-wide bans, which are being considered in over a dozen other states. Such bills are usually opposed by restaurants and their trade groups.

    Trans fat has been found in scientific studies to increase bad cholesterol, which can lead to heart disease, contribute to other diseases, such as diabetes and coronary heart disease. Coronary heart disease is California’s leading cause of death.

    California, which supplies a great deal of the nation’s specialty crops and other goods, already has some of the toughest food restrictions in the nation, including a ban on junk food, and on trans-fats in school meals.

    A ban in the nation’s largest state is likely to push many national restaurant chains to alter their menus. Already, Wendy’s, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Taco Bell, the Cheesecake Factory and McDonalds have begun to move away from trans fats because of consumer concerns.

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    LMFAO at the le of this thread.

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    I'm pretty sure the Legislature in California is Democratic.

    But whatever. We're at the end of the period in history where Americans can make responsible decisions for themselves. You can either have freedom to eat whatever unhealthy food you want, OR you can have the government pick up the tab when you get sick. Not both.

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    Misleading. I'm pretty sure you can't eat house pets either.

    Fact is, trans fats are basically unimportant as a whole and banning them is a push to get this country healthier.

    Has anybody here been to the Deep South? I have and let me say it's not pretty on their population.

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    That does it -- I'm joining P.E.T.A.


    Peaple Eating Tasty Animals


    Man, I'm gonna go grill some ribs.

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    trans fats are synthetic chemicals, industrial food-like substance courtesy of predatory corps, strongly associated with disease.

    Taking them off the market is as justifiable as withdrawing any other dangerous corporate product, like E coli-infected veg and fruits, car gas tanks that explode, poisonous toys, drugs that kill and maim, etc, etc.

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    "We're at the end of the period in history where Americans can make responsible decisions for themselves"

    total bull . Taking industrial crap off the market is not restricting anybody's freedom.

    Beside responsibly avoiding transfats, there's tons of other industrial food-like that everybody is free to eat, or avoid.

    2/3 of American are overweight or obese, using their wonderful ing freedom of choice. Very responsible, huh? America is all about total freedom and total irresponsibility.

    We all end up paying for the sicko fatties:

    "The extra demands made of the healthcare system by overweight and obese elderly amounts to Medicare's spending on average an extra $15,000 on overweight elderly individuals and an extra $26,000 on obese individuals. "

    http://www.physorg.com/news136215407.html

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    Obese should be banned from movie theaters and airplanes.

    We're at the end of the period in history where Americans can make responsible decisions for themselves. You can either have freedom to eat whatever unhealthy food you want, OR you can have the government pick up the tab when you get sick. Not both.
    WTF? How about they eat what they want, pay for their own medical bills, and suffer any consequences that come from their own bad decision making?

    America is all about total freedom and total irresponsibility.
    The irresponsible sink to the bottom of society. The responsible enjoy good life. Why punish others because homeboy can't quit buying krispykremes? Not to say no trans fat is really punishment ha.
    Last edited by Anti.Hero; 07-26-2008 at 12:46 AM.

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    But Transfats are what makes hamburger helper good.

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    I'm all for this. I live longer and don't have to pay other's medical bills for their 21 heart bypasses.

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    But Transfats are what makes hamburger helper good.
    Subs ute the transfats with lard, just as many calories, still great artery clogging potential, and more flavor.






    Smokers and the obese should have to pay a much higher share of employer provided health care benefits. It's amazing how many of my coworkers (and they are my friends) are either grossly obese or heavy smokers (we're talking several 250-300 pound "ladies" here, and one four pack a day smoker who, surprise, is in very poor health), they're free to indulge in this self destructive behavior, but it should be on their dime, not mine.

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    If I say that we're at the end of the period in history where Americans are willing to make responsible decisions for themselves, will boutons stop misunderstanding me?

    WTF? How about they eat what they want, pay for their own medical bills, and suffer any consequences that come from their own bad decision making?
    If I restate it another way, will Anti.Hero stop misunderstanding what I said?

    America can pick one:

    A) Have the freedom to live your live as you please, BUT then be totally responsible for the consequences of your decisions.

    B) Have the other taxpayers pay for your medical care, BUT then the government gets to regulate your diet and exercise.

    What irresponsible Americans (i.e., half the population or so) want is a free ride with no accountability. This is the same thing a 15-year-old wants. Half of America stopped developing cognitively at 15.

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    All you whining health nuts can kiss my fried food loving ass.

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    Ok, for those of you in favor of the government regulating our diet choices, what will you say when you get your wish of universal health care and overweight people are put on very restrictive diets. All bad food is banned. Smoking and drinking are banned, and any thing else that may rise the cost of the government providing health care.

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    For all of you complaining about government interference in the food industry:

    In Japan, they have actually ins uted a policy of measuring waistlines at doctor's offices. If you're waistline is too large, you have to take health classes and if you still can't lose weight they fine you.

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    For all of you complaining about government interference in the food industry:

    In Japan, they have actually ins uted a policy of measuring waistlines at doctor's offices. If you're waistline is too large, you have to take health classes and if you still can't lose weight they fine you.
    Who cares what Japan is doing? We are talking about the USA!

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    Meh, the implications are far greater for retailers and restaurants than for consumers, most of whom won't be able to tell the difference. There will probably be a slight initial cost increase for that In-and-Out Burger combo though.

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    I'm all for this. I live longer and don't have to pay other's medical bills for their 21 heart bypasses.

    No, you'll pay for chemo, radiation, etc...because they will live long enough to get cancer - and it's uvalot more expensive.

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    Smokers and the obese should have to pay a much higher share of employer provided health care benefits. It's amazing how many of my coworkers (and they are my friends) are either grossly obese or heavy smokers (we're talking several 250-300 pound "ladies" here, and one four pack a day smoker who, surprise, is in very poor health), they're free to indulge in this self destructive behavior, but it should be on their dime, not mine.
    Well its a good thing youre not a smoker or obese. But do you enjoy skydiving? Higher premium.

    Do you have one speeding ticket in the last year? Higher premium, because you are now statistically more likely to injure yourself in a car crash.

    Do you own a pet? Higher premium, more likley to be victim of an animal bite.

    How much horsepower does your car have?

    Do you drive a compact? Higher premium, because in the event of a car crash, you are more likely to be injured due to intertia differences with your average sized cars on the road.

    Do you regularly eat red meat? Higher premium.

    Can you walk and chew bubble gum at the same time? Higher premium.

    You get the idea....

    One must choose the hill they want to die on. Choose wisely.

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    I don't think I have any power to choose what hill I die on. When it is my time it is my time.

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    Well its a good thing youre not a smoker or obese. But do you enjoy skydiving? Higher premium.

    Do you have one speeding ticket in the last year? Higher premium, because you are now statistically more likely to injure yourself in a car crash.

    Do you own a pet? Higher premium, more likley to be victim of an animal bite.

    How much horsepower does your car have?

    Do you drive a compact? Higher premium, because in the event of a car crash, you are more likely to be injured due to intertia differences with your average sized cars on the road.

    Do you regularly eat red meat? Higher premium.

    Can you walk and chew bubble gum at the same time? Higher premium.

    You get the idea....

    One must choose the hill they want to die on. Choose wisely.
    The difference is that, statistically speaking, the extremely obese and those who smoke heavily are virtually guaranteed to die younger with more health problems throughout their life. Smoking isn't like a car wreck, where you might or might not ever have a serious one. Smoking is a 99.99% (maybe higher) lock that you will have health problems and die younger. Not a risk. A near certainty. If casino slots had that kind of loss-to-pay percentage, no one would ever play them.

    I know tons of people who eat red meat, drive fast, and are still around. I don't know very many heavy smokers who made it into their 60s. I don't know too many 300+ pound people who are that age, either. In fact, my uncle passed about a month ago, at the ripe old age of 55. He smoked his whole life, and it makes me so angry. Mostly at him, but if someone wants to give me an idea of how smoking benefits society, please let me know.

    Or, to put it another way: Would you EVER want to see your son or daughter with a cigarette in his or her hand? Would you feel great about their freedom to choose when they are peer pressured, and start a lifelong habit because they are scared of losing friends?

    If most people started smoking after turning 30, I'd have less of a problem with it. That's sadly not the way it works, and those of you who argue that it's a rational individuals' right to choose are forgetting all about the demographic that the cigarette companies depend on but are not legally able to sell to.
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    People know they should be lean and fit.

    If private or national insurance plans starting hitting them with several $K/year on health insurance malus, I bet Americans, who always respond above all to $$$ first, second and third, would get lean and fit to avoid the malus.

    There could even be a bonus for people who are are exceptionally lean and fit, via optional performance tessts like treadmill and resistance exercises.

    The number who are medically incapable of being lean and fit is minuscule compared to number who believe they are medically incapable.

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    ^ all fair points. And in the proper hands of authority, I'd trust just such an argument.

    The problem is, reality bites. The moment you start allowing government control of diet and recereation (im not talking about transfat here), you get prohibition.

    Its a very slippery slope which will be used to further reduce your choice in life. I am routinely shocked at how willingly people give more power to the government under the facade of some greater cause. Youre essentially giving more power to the already too-powerful to protect us from ourselves.

    I am a smoker because I choose to be. I have no interest in life past 70, thanks. You have a misunderstanding, it would seem, of your relationship with your health provider. You pay them (or your employer does) a monthly fee to cover your medical bills that havent even happened yet. The life decisions you make have no consequence on that cost. Do you fill out an application? Then your lifestyle should have been accounted for in their premiums.

    Moreover, having smokers/obese people pay more out of their check because they smoke/are obese is ridiculous. It neither helps nor hurts the rates offered by the insurance company. The single-greatest (individual) factor in insurance rate is age. If your employee roster is "older" on average, your rate goes up. That rate is then applied across the 3 categories (at least in Michigan): Single, Two Person and Family.

    I have an idea....lets start charging the people with families more! Of course! They absolutely cost the most to the company (more than double a Single employee). You chose to have kids, Im going to charge you more than double what a Single payer does. I know this is done by and large already, but its another illustration to prove the slope you choose.

    This idea of "the government has to fix it" is lazy, detrimental and the very reason our country is the way it is today. Dont like something? Make a law about it. Dont agree with someone else's lifestyle? Legislate against it.

    Until government controls healthcare, let the insurance companies figure it out.

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    I don't think I have any power to choose what hill I die on. When it is my time it is my time.
    Absolutely, patently false.

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    Absolutely, patently false.
    Well, I guess I do if you count suicide. Other than that it is out of my hands. And that is a fact.

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