Any of you ACTUALLY believe our friend Jesus

[RaZon]

I literally lol'd at how dumb you are

They found a tribe of Filipino's totally lost to civilization living way back in the jungle. They worshipped a God.

Dumb is not being about to grasp what I talking about. Tell me dummy what seperates Allah/God from Jupiter/Zeus? Well?

[Agloco]

The thing is this...

The first creatues on land did come from the sea, if we buy into evolution. From those creatures we did get...birds? How in the hell did that really happen? Where did the idea of flight even come from? Yet we'll...oh yeah sure, that happened. Which is about as hard to grasp as "there is a God."

Not really.

[Stalin]

is this what an american high school education gets you?

[hemann82]

this reminds me of the infamous Mookie-CBF wedding photoshop

[mouse]

your mother prick.

fucking dummy

moron...

idiot.

I refuse to debate anyone who replies in this manor.

[rascal]

Darwin turned bitter towards God and to an atheist after his daughter Annie died at a young age. He could not understand how could God allow his daughter to die and came to the conclusion that there was no God.
It fueld his theroy of evolution.

[scampers]

I can see (by that I mean physically see) supporting evidence of evolution. Do I fully buy into it? Not really. But,

I can not see any supporting evidence of the existence God. -none-.

[Gutter92]

I can see (by that I mean physically see) supporting evidence of evolution. Do I fully buy into it? Not really. But,

I can not see any supporting evidence of the existence God. -none-.

But what about the millions of people that swear he exists!

[TheSkeptic]

Darwin turned bitter towards God and to an atheist after his daughter Annie died at a young age. He could not understand how could God allow his daughter to die and came to the conclusion that there was no God.
It fueld his theroy of evolution.

It's possible. Like I said earlier though, it's tough to sensibly argue against the existence of evolution on a smaller scale.

Being able to adapt to your surroundings is a part of what it means to be alive.

I can see (by that I mean physically see) supporting evidence of evolution. Do I fully buy into it? Not really. But,

I can not see any supporting evidence of the existence God. -none-.

Fair enough.

I buy the concept of God because it makes sense to me on a philosophical level. Not going to talk you out of your perspective though.

[DoubtingThomas]

Can't really blame any non-believers. I know the feeling.

[Warlord23]

Darwin turned bitter towards God and to an atheist after his daughter Annie died at a young age. He could not understand how could God allow his daughter to die and came to the conclusion that there was no God.
It fueld his theroy of evolution.

Listen, I have no problem if you want to believe in the outlandish and the indefensible and then run and hide behind your "faith" when you lose every rational argument.

But you could at least try and stick to the truth when it comes to recent recorded history. Darwin started sketching the theory in 1842, sent a letter to a botanist friend in 1844 discussing his theory that species were not immutable. Also in 1844 he transformed his sketch into a 189-page essay on the topic - and wrote a letter that was to be opened by his wife in the event of this death, in which he requested her to publish the essay posthumously after his death. This essay not only discusses the ideas of common descent, variation, intermediate species etc, but also includes the phrase "natural selection".

Darwin's daughter fell ill in 1851, 7 years after he wrote this essay.

[TheSkeptic]

Listen, I have no problem if you want to believe in the outlandish and the indefensible and then run and hide behind your "faith" when you lose every rational argument.

But you could at least try and stick to the truth when it comes to recent recorded history. Darwin started sketching the theory in 1842, sent a letter to a botanist friend in 1844 discussing his theory that species were not immutable. Also in 1844 he transformed his sketch into a 189-page essay on the topic - and wrote a letter that was to be opened by his wife in the event of this death, in which he requested her to publish the essay posthumously after his death. This essay not only discusses the ideas of common descent, variation, intermediate species etc, but also includes the phrase "natural selection".

Darwin's daughter fell ill in 1851, 7 years after he wrote this essay.

I knew I'd heard that somewhere before.

Thanks.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

I used to believe the Jewish Zombie theory. Then again, I used to believe in Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy, and the E.B., and don't anymore, and there was a LOT more reason to believe in them, i.e. cash under the pillow, presents, candy in stockings, baskets, etc.

I think there was a dude from Nazareth who had some interesting ideas in a Gandhi-esque area, and got nailed to a tree by a government not much different than our US one today. He died. End of story, beginning of fable.

[Amarelooms]

I used to believe the Jewish Zombie theory. Then again, I used to believe in Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy, and the E.B., and don't anymore, and there was a LOT more reason to believe in them, i.e. cash under the pillow, presents, candy in stockings, baskets, etc.

I think there was a dude from Nazareth who had some interesting ideas in a Gandhi-esque area, and got nailed to a tree by a government not much different than our US one today. He died. End of story, beginning of fable.

Bingo...give this man a prize. His body was put into a cave or whatever...someone took/moved his body....3rd day people go and notice his body missing.. rumor spreads "He rose from the dead".....now idiots still believing it 2000 years later

[hemann82]

Jesuslooms

[TDMVPDPOY]

why did he respawn in 3 days??

[TheSkeptic]

Bingo...give this man a prize. His body was put into a cave or whatever...someone took/moved his body....3rd day people go and notice his body missing.. rumor spreads "He rose from the dead".....now idiots still believing it 2000 years later

I don't know. Given that it's been well documented that a lot of the disciples were martyred for refusing to recant, I believe that they believed in what they were telling people. Between the way those tombs were set up back then and the fact that Jesus' body was kept in a rich person's tomb, I don't fully buy the body snatcher theory.

Of course, I believe in the Resurrection because I don't have a choice.

why did he respawn in 3 days??

Serious question?

It's because 3 is the number of completion. In the Bible at least, that number was used pretty often when God was involved with something. I.e. The Triune

3 days, I think, brought home the fact that Jesus was who he said he was and that his fate was God's plan all along. Between that and the tearing of the temple veil at his death, I thought it was a wrap.

The resurrection, I suspect, was another example of God showing he was more powerful? Death and Hell are shown a lot of the time as the domain of the devil and apparently it was the devil's plan to kill Jesus all along since he didn't realize people would be saved according to God's plan. So that part was probably necessary.

In a nutshell I'd say that completion, full cycle, rebirth, and all that stuff were the main reasons why it took him 3 days to rise. Maybe that and also to confirm that he was dead in the minds of the disciples?

As always, anyone with more biblical knowledge can correct me...

[IWantsACuatro]

I'm agnostic, but you bet your bottom dollar I'm praying to anything when I'm in the foxhole!

Plus, Jesus seemed like a cool guy. Tall and fit carpenter who could have started on any number of juco bball teams in his day, but he decided to stay in his dorm and poke smot.

[Amarelooms]

I don't know. Given that it's been well documented that a lot of the disciples were martyred for refusing to recant, I believe that they believed in what they were telling people. Between the way those tombs were set up back then and the fact that Jesus' body was kept in a rich person's tomb, I don't fully buy the body snatcher theory.

Of course, I believe in the Resurrection because I don't have a choice.



Serious question?

It's because 3 is the number of completion. In the Bible at least, that number was used pretty often when God was involved with something. I.e. The Triune

3 days, I think, brought home the fact that Jesus was who he said he was and that his fate was God's plan all along. Between that and the tearing of the temple veil at his death, I thought it was a wrap.

The resurrection, I suspect, was another example of God showing he was more powerful? Death and Hell are shown a lot of the time as the domain of the devil and apparently it was the devil's plan to kill Jesus all along since he didn't realize people would be saved according to God's plan. So that part was probably necessary.

In a nutshell I'd say that completion, full cycle, rebirth, and all that stuff were the main reasons why it took him 3 days to rise. Maybe that and also to confirm that he was dead in the minds of the disciples?

As always, anyone with more biblical knowledge can correct me...

lol son. Just cause it's in the bible doesn't mean it's true....tons of horrible and incorrect things in there. If he came back physically...what happened to him....where did he go?

[TheSkeptic]

lol son. Just cause it's in the bible doesn't mean it's true....tons of horrible and incorrect things in there. If he came back physically...what happened to him....where did he go?

I'm a woman!

The preparation of rich people's tombs back then had nothing to do with the Bible (other than making appearances).

And the martyred original disciples I don't think were covered originally in the Bible either. Their deaths I believe were mostly recorded independently.

Where I really relied on the Bible there was in explaining to that other poster my opinion on the whole 3 days thing. In which case it'd be reasonable to take that event within the context of itself no?

What do you mean if he came back physically? I seem to recall that at one point after coming back he told them (disciples/women/followers) that they couldn't touch him although he did eat something at some point.

So I'm on the fence because while I have to believe that he did resurrect I'm not sure he came back completely normal.

I would assume he went back home. But like I said, he must've come back maybe in a slightly different form for him to have disappeared.

[boutons_deux]

Nat Geo channel ran their 2-hour show this weekend on what (we'd call today) the politicians/marketing men (women were oppressed/excluded then as now from "religious" power) left out of the Bible.

There was lots of competing stuff around when the Christians were building their brand, so they had to come up a huge persistent, multi-century marketing/spin campaign to sell their Boy to the uneducated, child-like, low-information simpletons of their time (seems most of those simpleton's descendents watch Fox, love Rush, and live in US rural areas).

And of course, the resulting Catholic Church hierarchy always needed money, money, money.

Virgin Birth (misogyny/anti-sex, their Boy couldn't possibly arrive from screwing a woman)/assumption, numerous miracles, resurrection from death, stone rolling, etc would have certainly wowed the simpletons back then, as now.

[Woo Bum-kon]

Nat Geo channel ran their 2-hour show this weekend on what (we'd call today) the politicians/marketing men (women were oppressed/excluded then as now from "religious" power) left out of the Bible.

There was lots of competing stuff around when the Christians were building their brand, so they had to come up a huge marketing/spin campaign to sell their Boy to the uneducated, child-like, low-information simpletons of their time (seems most of those simpleton's descendents watch Fox, love Rush, and live in US rural areas).

Virgin Birth (misogyny/anti-sex, their Boy couldn't possibly arrive from screwing a woman)/assumption, numerous miracles, resurrection, etc would have certainly wowed the simpletons back then, as now.

If there were no Republicans, you'd have no reason to live anymore.

[hemann82]

Ps, you realize that you're arguing with a couple millionaires right? Me and dok are rich trust fund babies, our families are friends our dads both work for Goldman Sachs. Im only part jewosh though.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm agnostic, but you bet your bottom dollar I'm praying to anything when I'm in the foxhole!

Plus, Jesus seemed like a cool guy. Tall and fit carpenter who could have started on any number of juco bball teams in his day, but he decided to stay in his dorm and poke smot.

its doubtful that he was tall and fit. He was a bastard and treated like shit by his peers. thats why he went to the countryside to learn from john the baptist. he was more than likely malnourished which would have stunted his growth. he sure did like getting people to feed him later in life though. it was the last of many suppers while he was on the lam.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

lol son. Just cause it's in the bible doesn't mean it's true....tons of horrible and incorrect things in there. If he came back physically...what happened to him....where did he go?

I was just thinking that the martyrdoms were documented by the same people that proclaimed his resurrection. Not exactly a neutral confirming source.

Oh, and to answer your question, he was apparently "beamed up" after hanging around for a while with the eleven surviving disciples and the new twelfth one. A missed opportunity, I must say. If he really wanted believers, he should have just picked up preaching again...after scores of people saw him crucified to death. That'll get you some followers....

[JoeChalupa]

Yeah, I do.

[Sportcamper]

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God….He was in the beginning with God…All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being….In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men….The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it…

[Blake]

as in the beginning with God…All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being….In Him …[/B][/I]

Thanks for the evil, God.

What a friend!

[boutons_deux]

If there were no Republicans, you'd have no reason to live anymore.

You injected Repugs, I didn't.

But I do appreciate your accuracy in attributing to Repugs the characteristics in my post. They are the ignorant, truthiness, low-information crowd.

[CosmicCowboy]

I don't think the bible (written by mortal men all of which lie to one degree or another) or christianity has a lock on the absolute truth, but I don't see how anyone could not believe in a higher power of some kind. The complexity of nature and the world is beyond anything that could have just randomly evolved from pond scum. I'm not saying this higher power created each organism, but that even more mind boggling, created the mechanism for that diversity to evolve.