(a) A Boeing 757 weighs about 100 tons with a wingspan of about 125′ and a tail that stands 44′ above the ground. It would have been overwhelmingly larger than the trucks in this photograph, where the alleged crater from the crash was situated. Compare this crash site with those from bona fide crash sites to begin to appreciate the enormity of the deception involved.
"bona fide" crash sites.
Plenty of bona fide air crashes happen. When they happen, generally the pilots are trying not to crash them, and are flying fairly slow on take off or landing.
Fairly slow in this case means roughly 200 miles an hour or so, sometimes much less:
If you read it and can understand the basic algebra involved, you will note that when you double the speed, you have multiplied the force/energy of motion by a factor of four.
The data recorders said the plane hit the ground at a steep angle at 563 mph.
Let's do some math.
Since we are examining the same object's kinetic energy for two different speeds, we can simplify things somewhat, and set the mass to 1. We can also simply by not worrying about specific units, since we are looking at relative energies.
This means we can set the kinetic energy equial to 1/2 v^2
Kinetic energy of a low-speed crash:
.5*150*150= 11,250 units.
Kinetic energy of Flight 93 at impact:
.5*563*563= 158,484 units
158484/11250= 14 and some change.
Something moving 3.75 times faster has 14 times the amount of kinetic energy.
Compare this 30 mph crash:
With this 120 mph crash:
Do I need to start explaining the physics of direct versus glancing blows?
Do you understand this basic element of physics?
Given this rather solid, and easily verifiable experiment, would one expect the exact same wreckage pattern from a crash at 150-200 mph as one would see in a crash at 563 mph?
A simple yes or no will do.
If you are comparing this crash to other crashes, are your comparison crashes also at 500+ mph?
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There are several similar "bona fide" crashes on record, but I doubt truthers would want to discuss them much -- unless they think they are all staged events.
Plenty of bona fide air crashes happen. When they happen, generally the pilots are trying not to crash them, and are flying fairly slow on take off or landing.
Fairly slow in this case means roughly 200 miles an hour or so, sometimes much less:
If you read it and can understand the basic algebra involved, you will note that when you double the speed, you have multiplied the force/energy of motion by a factor of four.
The data recorders said the plane hit the ground at a steep angle at 563 mph.
Let's do some math.
Since we are examining the same object's kinetic energy for two different speeds, we can simplify things somewhat, and set the mass to 1. We can also simply by not worrying about specific units, since we are looking at relative energies.
This means we can set the kinetic energy equial to 1/2 v^2
Kinetic energy of a low-speed crash:
.05*150*150= 11,250 units.
Kinetic energy of Flight 93 at impact:
.05*563*563= 158,484 units
158484/11250= 14 and some change.
Something moving 3.75 times faster has 14 times the amount of kinetic energy.
Compare this 30 mph crash:
With this 120 mph crash:
Do I need to start explaining the physics of direct versus glancing blows?
Do you understand this basic element of physics?
Given this rather solid, and easily verifiable experiment, would one expect the exact same wreckage pattern from a crash at 150-200 mph as one would see in a crash at 563 mph?
A simple yes or no will do.
If you are comparing this crash to other crashes, are your comparison crashes also at 500+ mph?
dan is trying to say about 40 calls and call attempts were fakes from united 93 alone -- and that the people faking the calls knew details like one of the wives of the hijack victims was visiting her in-laws at the time.
And threw in two cell phone calls simultaneously at precisely the time when the plane was low enough to make such calls possible.
It takes a special kind of genius to think this way.
From the back of Flight 93, CeeCee Lyles finally reached her husband, Lorne.
"Babe, my plane's been hijacked," she said.
"Huh? Stop joking," he said.
"No babe, I wouldn't joke like that. I love you. Tell the boys I love them."
The pair prayed. In the background, Lorne Lyles could hear what he now believes was the sound of men planning a counterattack.
"They're getting ready to force their way into the cockpit," she told him.
When he had finished talking with Lisa Jefferson, finished relaying his love for his family, finished praying the Psalm that asked for green pastures and still waters, Todd Beamer put down the phone, still connected with the outside world.
"Are you guys ready? Let's roll," he said.
Honor Wainio was still on the line with her stepmother.
"I need to go," she said. "They're getting ready to break into the cockpit. I love you. Goodbye."
"Everyone's running to first class," Sandy Bradshaw told her husband. "I've got to go. Bye."
CeeCee Lyles let out a scream.
"They're doing it! They're doing it! They're doing it!" she said. Lorne Lyles heard a scream. Then his wife said something he couldn't understand. Then the line went dead.
dan's theory is that her cell phone call, the 9-11 cell call from Edward Felt and the three AirPhone calls described above were all made by voice actors at the same exact time describing the same events minutes before something other than a 757 made a 757 sized and shaped crater with 757 debris spread all over the site along with body parts and personal effects of the people who weren't on the 757 that didn't crash at the recovered strip mine outside of Shanksville.
I'll put this in your thread so everyone knows your theory.
dan's theory is that her cell phone call, the 9-11 cell call from Edward Felt and the three AirPhone calls described above were all made by voice actors at the same exact time describing the same events minutes before something other than a 757 made a 757 sized and shaped crater with 757 debris spread all over the site along with body parts and personal effects of the people who weren't on the 757 that didn't crash at the recovered strip mine outside of Shanksville.
I'll put this in your thread so everyone knows your theory.
Ok, I get that part. But if they were trying to keep it secret, why foreshadow the event on the twenty dollar bill? Or was this a call to arms of some sort?
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Dan, if given the opportunity to meet one of the "alleged" recipients of one of the phone calls from United Flight 93, would you tell them that they are clearly voice actors and that their part in the conspiracy has been figured out? That you're onto them?
Could you look them in the eyes and call them liars?
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