Obama Changes Same-Sex Marriage Stance

[ChumpDumper]

As much as Republicans are whining about this, I can only characterize it as a good political move on Obama's part.

[boutons_deux]

and Repugs know they're losing on this point, so they are trying hard to switch the headlines back to the shitty dubya economy to continue to stick Barry with its exclusive responsibility.

[SA210]

[spursncowboys]

and Repugs know they're losing on this point, so they are trying hard to switch the headlines back to the shitty dubya economy to continue to stick Barry with its exclusive responsibility.

So when Dubya was trying to get a Constitutional amendment to keep marriage how it was supposed to be, and all the libs said it was a distraction. Now it is ligitimate?

[Blake]

SA210 laughs at the blandest things.

[AFBlue]

SA210 laughs at the blandest things.

Bland is right...a non-story making the rounds because the media decides it should.

[boutons_deux]

Not bland, historic. First president ever to endorse same-sex marriage.

But it changes nothing if there is no federal legislation to enforce it as a civil right and override red-state discrimination.

[Capt Bringdown]

Not bland, historic. First president ever to endorse same-sex marriage.

But it changes nothing if there is no federal legislation to enforce it as a civil right and override red-state discrimination.

Historic in a limited sense, given Dick Cheney's identical position on this matter.
Obama went out of his way to stress that his "endorsement" was entirely personal and not political. This strikes me as dishonest and manipulative in the extreme, as he's clearly trying to get credit for a position without taking any real political risks.

The media framing/distortion has been astonishing, for one could honestly and accurately claim that Obama, in his political capacity as POTOS has not in fact endorsed endorsed gay marriage but rather states rights.

[Wild Cobra]

Not bland, historic. First president ever to endorse same-sex marriage.

But it changes nothing if there is no federal legislation to enforce it as a civil right and override red-state discrimination.

You should buy a clue.

My state is a liberal haven, and same sex marriage was rejected bu the voters.

[boutons_deux]

yep, states rights to discriminate, just like "states rights" was a code word for George Wallace and southern racists claiming the right to treat blacks like shit.

[Wild Cobra]

yep, states rights to discriminate, just like "states rights" was a code word for George Wallace and southern racists claiming the right to treat blacks like shit.

Consioder this...

Oregon elects liberal.

Most Oregon voters are left of center.

In the 2004 November election, Kerry had 51.45 in Oregon, Bush had 47.2% On the same ballot was measure 36. The constitutional amendment to define marriage as between one man and one woman passed. It passed 56.63% to 43.37%.

[boutons_deux]

Consioder this...

Oregon elects liberal.

Most Oregon voters are left of center.

In the 2004 November election, Kerry had 51.45 in Oregon, Bush had 47.2% On the same ballot was measure 36. The constitutional amendment to define marriage as between one man and one woman passed. It passed 56.63% to 43.37%.

lots of backwoods inbreds in Oregon

[Drachen]

I agree except i think it will hurt him more than help. anyone who wants gay marriage changes were going to vote for him anyways. This will definitely turn alot of people against him. Although I think most people who were on the fence have other concerns besides this. But there are people who feel like this is their stand point. Like me and pro-life.

I disagree, the people who would vote against him for this purpose were already going to vote against him for many of his other transgressions (abortion, being a muslim, being a kenyan, etc). This, as a political stunt, will draw more people who were going to stay home into the voting booth than it will draw in for romney (especially since overall more americans support it than oppose it 47-43 percent and its moving fast: 6 years ago it was 60-30 against).

Edit, go back to manny's post at the beginning to see gallups linked polls. They have some different numbers ( I saw mine on the news), but still generally support the argument.

[AFBlue]

Not bland, historic. First president ever to endorse same-sex marriage.

But it changes nothing if there is no federal legislation to enforce it as a civil right and override red-state discrimination.

Which this "historic" president does not support. You can view it however you want, but substantively it's not relevant.

[xeromass]

Consioder this...

Oregon elects liberal.

Most Oregon voters are left of center.

In the 2004 November election, Kerry had 51.45 in Oregon, Bush had 47.2% On the same ballot was measure 36. The constitutional amendment to define marriage as between one man and one woman passed. It passed 56.63% to 43.37%.

Well, if I might respond with roughly related slovenian example:

In 2001 we had a recall referendum over a law that would legalize IVF for single women. Not necessarily lesbians, just any women not in registered partnership with male.

It was recalled with 72,36 % for recall and 26,38 % against.

This year same group of people got their panties in a bunch over a new family law that would among other things give family status to same sex partnerships where one of adults is genetic parent and enable other one to adopt the child(ren). Nothing about marriage, just legal status of families with their rights&benefits.

It was recalled again but this time with 54.77 % for recall and 45.23 % against.

Almost 20% change in 11 years on an issue that is almost the same from ideological standpoint. And you can see the same trend all over Europe and USA.

[Wild Cobra]

lots of backwoods inbreds in Oregon

The only ones I know of are the ones related to you.