Look up EROI
GAO: Recoverable Oil in Colorado, Utah, Wyoming 'About Equal to Entire World’s Proven Oil Reserves'
(CNSNews.com) - The Green River Formation, a largely vacant area of mostly federal land that covers the territory where Colorado, Utah and Wyoming come together, contains about as much recoverable oil as all the rest the world’s proven reserves combined, an auditor from the Government Accountability Office told Congress on Thursday.
And, compared to green energy?
I'd put my money on the petroleum industry achieving a reasonable EROI on shale oil long before any (or all combined) green energies ever come close to supplanting our needs.
And the agenda becomes clear. thanks, Mr. Shill.
Energy independence is the agenda.
What's your alternative?
Exporting refined product is the agenda.
Are these the areas Clinton put off limits?
No . The politicians keep saying that, but it's just more broken promises.
Why not, if the refinery capacity has excess?
It's being done already. I'm glad you're fine with the increased gas prices.
Like it or not, we are in a global market. Do you wish to deny US exports?
That's why energy independence is not the agenda.
Can't disagree with that.
hucksters have been pushing this idea for as long as I can remember.
The technology to get at this magic energy is always just around the corner...
Compared to green energy, shale oil energy sucks.
Sorry.
Let's look at the key challenges, unchanged in the last 100 years.
Since you posted the blog about the GAO report:
If you think that physics is going to roll over and take a nap while your magic cheap energy just pops out, you need to tell me what technology is in the pipeline that is going to do that.Our October 2010 report also found, however, that there are a number of
key challenges associated with potential oil shale development in the
United States, including: (1) uncertainty about viable technologies, (2)
environmental impacts that affect water quan y and quality, air, and land,
and (3) socioeconomic impacts.
Uncertainty about viable technologies. A significant challenge to the
development of oil shale lies in the uncertainty surrounding the
viability of current technologies to economically extract oil from oil
shale. To extract the oil, the rock needs to be heated to very high
temperatures—ranging from about 650 to 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit—
in a process known as retorting.
What technology under development is going to overcome the really bad EROI?
Water quan y. Oil shale development could have significant
impacts on the quan y of surface and groundwater resources, but
the magnitude of these impacts is unknown because of the
technological uncertainties, and also because the size of a future
oil shale industry is unknown, and knowledge of current water
conditions and groundwater flow is limited. Developing oil shale
and providing power for oil shale operations and other associated
activities will require significant amounts of water, which could
pose problems, particularly in the arid West where an expanding
population is already placing additional demands on available
water resources.
Magic technology will appear to make the uneconomical oily rocks suddenly economical, and magic new water supplies will pop up in an arid west...
some analysts project that large
scale oil shale development within Colorado could require more
water than is currently supplied to over 1 million residents of the
Denver metro area and that water diverted for oil shale operations
would restrict agricultural and urban development. The potential
demand for water is further complicated by the past decade of
drought in the West
Once you over come the non-existant technologies, a lack of water supplies, unknown environemental damage, in 15-20 years, it might be a huge source of energy.
That's what you are going with?
Here is the GAO report that your happy fun blog linked that is the source of the information:
http://science.house.gov/sites/repub...l-20120510.pdf
Random, would you please stop yelling.
It's hard to make out words when they are so incoherent.
Good luck getting the water for the extraction in the west. Water here is already the biggest problem to the region and all the water in the region heads out west to basically keep Las Vegas and Phoenix from turning into ghost towns. The reservoirs out west are already losing capacity due to filling up with silt and when you add in higher temperatures from global warming you're also going to lose a lot more to evaporation (which is already incredibly high - who would think a lake with a large surface area in the desert would lose a lot of water to evaporation?!?!?!?).
On the other hand, out west Solar IS viable as . Not to mention being buffered with wind energy. The wind farms out in the west are huge. Solar energy is increasing in efficiency at an exponential rate and dropping in price while oil increases in price. So yes, actually. Compared to green energy it really makes little sense to develop oil shales as these. I know that you may find that hard to believe, but its the absolute reality.
As it stands, it is more profitable for the refineries to sell the excess petrol to europe than it is to sell here in the states. I suppose once they sufficiently saturate the market in Europe then it will actually effect the price of domestic supply but as has been pointed out this has nothing to do with domestic oil.
As for the solar versus oil agenda, I personally do not like the notion of just ceding the solar industry to China. Not at all.
San Antonio is building the biggest one in the world.
http://stateimpact.npr.org/texas/201...r-san-antonio/
What is your take on the subsidies such as the pipeline for the oil industry? You just such a fan of oil that your cool with the money from every level of government they get?January 12, 2012 | 11:22 AM
By Terrence Henry
Mose Buchele / StateImpact Texas
Just days after the ribbon was cut on the largest solar farm in Texas outside Austin, San Antonio has announced a new solar project that would dwarf its neighbor to the North: a 400 megawatt solar project that would be twice as large as any solar farm currently runningin the world.
A significant challenge to the
development of oil shale lies in the uncertainty surrounding the
viability of current technologies to economically extract oil from oil
shale.
Developing oil shale
and providing power for oil shale operations and other associated
activities will require significant amounts of water, which could
pose problems, particularly in the arid West where an expanding
population is already placing additional demands on available
water resources
some analysts project that large
scale oil shale development within Colorado could require more
water than is currently supplied to over 1 million residents of the
Denver metro area and that water diverted for oil shale operations
would restrict agricultural and urban development. The potential
demand for water is further complicated by the past decade of
drought in the West
Yoni seemed to have missed the rather important parts. I wanted to eliminate the possibility that he misplaced his glasses and couldn't read them.
Do you understand the implications of those two rather important paragraphs that got left out of the blog post in the OP?
Yup.
The only thing the OP demonstrated is that Yoni doesn't understand economics.
Bloodly ironic, isn't it?
How much government money do you think we should spend on shale oil?
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