and Barry has governed exactly according to Wright's tirades.
Fox Repug fabricated controversy
and Barry has governed exactly according to Wright's tirades.
Fox Repug fabricated controversy
I'm of the mind that constituents largely don't give a shit about Agent Terry or F&F. Haven't seen anything that contradicts that.
Oh, the economy is still issue #1, but I guarantee you there are a lot of moderates and conservatives that are offended by this issue.
Any non-anecdotal evidence of this?
Any non-anecdotal evidence it's not true?
Ah, now CC reaches back into his bag of logical fallacies.
Considering there are about 3,750,000 google hits to Fast and Furious Scandal, there's probably a better than zero chance CC's correct.
Crushing humanity, one post at a time.
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Originally Posted by WC
"...but it was your assumption that assumed I made an assumption"
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
...you're not curious about anything outside of your close-minded, benighted blind ideology.
Echo chambers come in all sizes. I'm talking about votes that will change because of this.
"Oh, the economy is still issue #1, but I guarantee you there are a lot of moderates and conservatives that are offended by this issue."
"Any non-anecdotal evidence of this?"
I missed the "votes" caveat.
Sorry, should have been more precise. That's the ultimate measure for me. Just seems like another scandal that more politically active people care a lot more about than the general voting public. I mean, millions were personally offended by Clinton's cheating, right?
Whose votes? The democratic congressmen that are voting to find Holder in contempt?
"Sorry, should have been more precise. That's the ultimate measure for me. Just seems like another scandal that more politically active people care a lot more about than the general voting public."
Could very well be at this stage.
Thank you. That's was exactly my point from the get go.
More of nothing...
Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...s=rss_politics“This is political theater, and it’s been political theater from the beginning,” said Holder’s former spokesman, Matthew Miller. “There is no evidence that the attorney general or senior Justice officials knew anything about the Fast and Furious tactics. I don’t think Chairman Issa wants a solution. He wants a contempt vote.”
If the House committee cites Holder for criminal contempt, it would open a process that requires the House speaker to schedule a floor vote. If passed by the full House, the matter would then move to the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, Ronald C. Machen Jr., who is an employee of the Justice Department.
dog and pony show
a reminder of what the yelling over the ATF's "Fast and Furious" operation is really "about:"
Perhaps the most bizarre aspect of this affair is what [Rep. Darrell] Issa once suggested his investigation will uncover. In an interview with Sean Hannity, Issa claimed that the Obama administration “made a crisis” when they continued the Bush-era gunrunning operations because they wanted to “us[e] this crisis to somehow take away or limit people’s Second Amendment rights.” This accusation originates from a former militiaman who supports violent resistance to imagined government attempts to seize his guns. And it amounts to an accusation that a series of botched gun stings that begun during the Bush Administration were actually part of a secret Obama plot to release guns to Mexican drug lords, so that those guns could then be used to kill federal agents, which would then cause a national uprising in support of gun control.
So at the most basic level, the effort to take down Holder isn't just a garden-variety gambit aimed at blaming a Cabinet member and an administration for a botched operation hatched by underlings as part of a "gunwalking" tactic developed during the Bush administration. It's part of the broader claim on the Right that Obama is secretly plotting to take away everybody's guns. There is zero, absolutely zero, evidence for any Obama "assault on the Second Amendment," which is precisely why people like Issa have to cook up a theory this crazy. Beneath all the talk is yet another sharp dog whistle to "the base."
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews...t_dog_whistle/
I absolutely believe that the underlying motive of F&F was to justify strengthening gun laws and try to re-impose the assault rifle ban.
Yep, why let a good crisis go to waste, and when you don't have a crisis.... create one...
I miss the 1/2 hr News hour...
As always, the Repugs run a charade to hide their real motiviation.
And of course, it's an election year, so they will do anything and everything, in typical bad faith, to harass and distract the Exec branch. That's a lot more fun than actually running Congress to solve problems and advance the country.
Yeah, Holder lying to congress is really a charade. lol
Five Things To Know About The Republican Witchhunt Against Attorney General Holder
In 2006, during the presidency of George W. Bush, the Justice Department launched the first of a series of misguided “gunrunning” schemes that eventually led to the death of federal Agent Brian Terry. Rather than look to ways to prevent such a tragedy from happening again, however, House Oversight Chair Darrell Issa’s (R-CA) spent his tenure as a committee chair trying unsuccessfully to embarrass Attorney General Eric Holder.
Next week, Issa plans to escalate this witchhunt by holding an committee vote on a resolution to hold the Attorney General in contempt of Congress. Here’s what you need to know about this vote:
1. Issa Has No Case: Issa’s uncovered no evidence showing Holder bears any blame for the botched operations begun under George W. Bush, even though the Justice Department turned over thousands of pages of documents concerning the operations. Instead of accepting this fact, Issa has requested many more documents containing confidential information regarding ongoing law enforcement investigations, and is now threatening to hold Holder in contempt if these documents are not turned over. Holder is entirely correct to withhold these documents, however, because Justice Department documents are not subject to congressional subpoena if they would reveal “strategies and procedures that could be used by individuals seeking to evade law enforcement efforts.”
2. Reagan’s Justice Department Agreed With Holder: President Reagan’s Justice Department warned in the 1980s that the Constitution’s separation of powers prevents the kind of documents Issa is seeking from being revealed to Congress because of the risk that the legislature could “exert pressure or attempt to influence the prosecution of criminal cases.”
Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...eneral-holder/
lol thinkprogress
Regardless of the extent to which F and F is anti-gun or not (and I tend to believe not),
Holder is, imo, the worst Attorney General this Country has seen in decades.
I consider myself a moderate independent and I believe that Holder is by far the worst appointment that Obama has made.
He (Holder) seems to combine breathtaking arrogance with stunning ineffectiveness.
What a combination.
lol conspiracies
Agreed. Holder has turned the Justice Department into a political arm of the Executive branch.
alberto gonzales says hi
Holder has taken it to a whole new level.
sure, give al a pass.
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