What the hell is going on?

**RandomGuy** · 06-11-2012

you guys are in south east asia now, shit is brewing there atm over whatever sovereignty is in the south china seas that china wants to claim from the neighboring countries that also borders those waters.....

i think a philipinos in here know what im talkin about, they are having constant protest over some uninhibited island with mineral resources underneath being claimed by china....

Don't forget the military junta in Myanmar's sudden change of heart.

Generals like that don't give up power unless they have good reason to.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-...fair-elections

**benefactor** · 06-11-2012

Talked to him just now...and it's a bit a decent news. Looks like more Afghanistan. He got word this morning. 6 months in Kandahar. He talked to his brother(Army) said it's a little less of a dust bowl over there since they paved the roads...but he said they've added like 50,000 troops to that location so the shit pond is going to be massive and foul.

So false alarm as far as anything new...but I still hate that he has to go. 50,000 troops? Why the hell do they need him?

**CosmicCowboy** · 06-11-2012

I have a nephew that is a blackhawk pilot with the Texas guard and he has already done 6 tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.

**boutons_deux** · 06-11-2012

Relax, it's all for a good cause.

**ferg** · 06-11-2012

I hope he's getting help for his ptsd. Have an ex gf and a good friend who has it and that is no joke!

**ploto** · 06-11-2012

Doesn't anyone else see the irony that a guy who was a recruiter and used his supposed great salesmanship to convince young men to join the Navy is now complaining about having to serve himself?

**MannyIsGod** · 06-11-2012

Ha, I guess that is a fair as shit point, Ploto.

**jack sommerset** · 06-11-2012

Originally Posted by ploto

Doesn't anyone else see the irony that a guy who was a recruiter and used his supposed great salesmanship to convince young men to join the Navy is now complaining about having to serve himself?

Oh yeah but I think his buddy is the one with the problem. God bless

**Wild Cobra Kai** · 06-11-2012

Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

This is just wrong. The reserve units are just that. Reserve. They are to be used in time of crisis. Not at the whim of a president who doesn't want to support levels to daily task needs.

You've been out of the loop for a while. Some time in the mid to late 90s, the reserves transitioned from fortifying/supplementing the active force to becoming the first in shock troops. Been that way coming up on 20 years.

**Wild Cobra** · 06-12-2012

Originally Posted by heath ledger

you must have not ever served. You can have a very highly skilled job in the military and still be a recruiter.

wtf:

this is a real important question for this thread. what are his job skills that they may need him so bad.

**Wild Cobra** · 06-12-2012

Originally Posted by Wild Cobra Kai

You've been out of the loop for a while. Some time in the mid to late 90s, the reserves transitioned from fortifying/supplementing the active force to becoming the first in shock troops. Been that way coming up on 20 years.

Clinton really fucked up the military, didn't he.

**mavs>spurs** · 06-12-2012

Originally Posted by ferg

faggot take? my time spent out of this country during my time in the military (9yrs) exceeds his so yeah IMO he was hiding out. he did his fucking job as a recruiter, congrats to him. i know plenty of people who missed kids being born, had marriages fall apart due to the strain of being gone and had loved ones (aunts, uncles etc..) pass away and couldnt be there for their family because they had a job to do. however, every fucking time they were tasked to go they went, no bitching or complaining. they were professionals in every sense of the word. thats what he gets paid to do. to go where the govt needs him. just because he went on a few jaunts overseas while he was active doesnt mean he wont ever go again. again he did his job. what is his job in the navy anyway?

also your statement about him being a salesman because it fits his personality pretty much contradicts him being a patrol officer. two VERY different personalities.

nothing selfish about wanting a family. whats selfish is bitching about having to leave. the government didnt issue him his family. its something he got into knowing very well he could be called to leave them one day. if he doesnt like it then he needs to get out.

Think about what you are saying..nothing is more important than family, "professional" or not. At the end of the day if you missed out on all that just to go play world police then you're an asshole.

**mouse** · 06-12-2012

Sign up for the 82nd stay in NC your whole career.

**velik_m** · 06-12-2012

Originally Posted by DUNCANownsKOBE

what a sheepish thing to say. That's the attitude Germans took when Hitler decided to invade Poland/all of Europe.

When its our tax dollars financing the wars, our friends/family fighting the wars, and the politicians we elected in order to represent us and our views making decisions about the wars, how the fuck is it not for us to decide whether or not a war is meaningless

I have to agree with this. If there ever is time, i would want to have a say in the running of a state, it's when deciding should we go to/be in war or not. They can have their taxes and regulations and education and health and whatnot reforms - but if there should be only one thing on which every voice in the nation is heard, it should be on the matters of war.

**benefactor** · 06-12-2012

Originally Posted by ploto

Doesn't anyone else see the irony that a guy who was a recruiter and used his supposed great salesmanship to convince young men to join the Navy is now complaining about having to serve himself?

He's done several tours already...without complaint. His son is partially autistic and he just found out his wife has a heart condition. You telling you you wouldn't be pissed to go back? Furthermore, there is absolutely nothing wrong with no longer believing in what's going on overseas anymore. It's been a long time since he was kid in his early 20's working as a recruiter. I guess you didn't change at all from your early 20's to your mid 30's.

From what I remember he had to stay in reserves as part of his exit deal. Believe me, if he could quit the reserves tomorrow he would.

**Stringer_Bell** · 06-12-2012

Originally Posted by benefactor

My best friend just found out that he's being shipped out in November...not sure where yet but they said somewhere in Southeast Asia. He's been home for years now and has a wife, a young son and a career. What the fuck is this country getting involved in now where they have to call up a reserve(Navy) who hasn't been overseas in years and has basically started a new life? Anyone else know someone that's being called up?

Maybe I missed something here, but when you're in the reserves aren't you:
- subjected to mandatory training throughout the year?
- paid a lil somethin'?
- given auxillary benefits of some kind?

I mean, if you sign a contract that benefits you and suddenly the other party wants you to uphold your end...how is that wrong? But yea, maybe I missed something in the discussion.

edit: you just mentioned an exit deal, that sounds like a bad deal

**ploto** · 06-12-2012

Originally Posted by benefactor

From what I remember he had to stay in reserves as part of his exit deal. Believe me, if he could quit the reserves tomorrow he would.

Did he get out early with the agreement that he would serve the remainder of his time in the reserves?

**desflood** · 06-12-2012

When I left (mind you, that was over 10 years ago) four years of reserves were an automatic; they didn't ask you if you wanted it or not, it just was. The only exceptions were retirements and medical or dishonorable discharges.

**ploto** · 06-12-2012

Originally Posted by desflood

When I left (mind you, that was over 10 years ago) four years of reserves were an automatic; they didn't ask you if you wanted it or not, it just was. The only exceptions were retirements and medical or dishonorable discharges.

Wouldn't a recruiter know this?

**benefactor** · 06-12-2012

Originally Posted by ploto

Wouldn't a recruiter know this?

Listen you stupid bitch...I don't know what his exact situation is. It could be what desflood said or it could be that he agreed to it. If you just can't seem to live a normal life without knowing exactly I will probably be talking to him sometime this week and I will gladly let you know for sure. Frankly, it doesn't have a damn thing to do with him being pissed about going back. He's pissed because he has a special needs son and a wife with a recently diagnosed heart condition. He also doesn't believe the same things he used to. All of that said...he IS going back over seas and will fulfill his commitment.

He's well over a decade removed from the time he became a recruiter. He was a fucking kid. He's a grown man now. I don't know about you, but I can't think of very many people who are now in their mid 30s who have the same views they had when they were 20. I know more than a few people who served that don't believe in what is going on with our military. Their lives are in the government's hands and they aren't fucking robots that just nod and walk forwards when the government tells them to do something. Should they do what they are told? Yes...because they are contractually obligated to. Do they have to agree with it? Absolutely not.

**Fat boy** · 06-13-2012

Regardless of who is right and who is wrong, I find this topic informative and entertaining.

**boutons_deux** · 06-13-2012

After VN, Iraq, Afghanistan disasters, you have to be pretty ignorant to risk getting fucked up in another disaster by joining the military.

I'm sure the vast majority of Iraq/Afghanistan vets loved their (repeated) experiences and came home in 100% health, physical and mental. ... was a for a good cause. The Iraqis and Afghans just love The American Way now.

**ploto** · 06-13-2012

Originally Posted by benefactor

Listen you stupid bitch...I don't know what his exact situation is. It could be what desflood said or it could be that he agreed to it. If you just can't seem to live a normal life without knowing exactly I will probably be talking to him sometime this week and I will gladly let you know for sure. Frankly, it doesn't have a damn thing to do with him being pissed about going back. He's pissed because he has a special needs son and a wife with a recently diagnosed heart condition. He also doesn't believe the same things he used to. All of that said...he IS going back over seas and will fulfill his commitment.

He's well over a decade removed from the time he became a recruiter. He was a fucking kid. He's a grown man now. I don't know about you, but I can't think of very many people who are now in their mid 30s who have the same views they had when they were 20. I know more than a few people who served that don't believe in what is going on with our military. Their lives are in the government's hands and they aren't fucking robots that just nod and walk forwards when the government tells them to do something. Should they do what they are told? Yes...because they are contractually obligated to. Do they have to agree with it? Absolutely not.

My point is that as a recruiter he of all people would know to what he was agreeing. I have two family members in the military and I can tell you I tried to talk them out of it. One has been both to Iraq and Afghanistan, but he made the choice. There are benefits and there are risks. When you choose a career in the military, you give up certain choices- you know you have to be away from family... He had to know this was a possibility as long as he was in the reserves.

**benefactor** · 06-13-2012

He did. I've already explained that to you. Did you even read what I said?

**clambake** · 06-13-2012

she read what you said. your friend can't claim stupidity. but there's no law against whining.

**benefactor** · 06-13-2012

I never said he wanted to claim stupidity. You people have some serious comprehension problems down here.

**clambake** · 06-13-2012

ok, so he's just whining, but you make it sound like he's whining because he doesn't understand why it's happening.(hence the playing stupid approach)

**Goran Dragic** · 06-13-2012

Originally Posted by benefactor

Their lives are in the government's hands and they aren't fucking robots that just nod and walk forwards when the government tells them to do something..

They're paid to be just that.....robots who determine when to piss, shit, sleep and eat based off orders they're given. If you don't want to be a robot controlled by the government then don't join the military.

**mavs>spurs** · 06-13-2012

Originally Posted by benefactor

Listen you stupid bitch

lol uncalled for imo

**mavs>spurs** · 06-13-2012

Originally Posted by Goran Dragic

They're paid to be just that.....robots who determine when to piss, shit, sleep and eat based off orders they're given. If you don't want to be a robot controlled by the government then don't join the military.

yup, only retards sign up to be human pawns in the rich man's game of chess.

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