Damn...taking political pandering to a whole new level...

[Drachen]

My point was that it was an overreach of executive power, not that he was literally a dictator. And yes, they were defending it as if Obama was just "clarifying" an enforcement point and not blatantly politically pandering to hispanics.

And if a President can ignore our immigration laws by executive order, what other powers do you want to give him? What if a President wanted to ignore enforcement of the Civil rights act of 1964 by executive order? He would just be "clarifying" how he wanted it enforced...Would that be OK?

I didn't see anyone arguing that point. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. An action can, at the same time, be a shift in the enforcement of the law and completely naked political pandering.

edit: I don't have time to argue one way or another right now, so I am not trying to get into it. I just wanted to point out that you misspoke since I didn't see anyone say that this wasn't political pandering.

Here lets try an experiment: Fuzzy, Blake, et al. (set aside the constitutionality question) Do you think this action was election year pandering to the hispanic vote?

[boutons_deux]

"the Democrats controlled both houses fuckwad"

From Jan 2009, the Dems NEVER controlled both houses. Specifically, DINOs like Ben Nelson and other Blue Dog Dems kept the Dems under unConstitutional 60 Senate seats needed to block Repug filibusters, which were threatened on nearly every Dem legislation.

[CosmicCowboy]

"the Democrats controlled both houses fuckwad"

From Jan 2009, the Dems NEVER controlled both houses. Specifically, DINOs like Ben Nelson and other Blue Dog Dems kept the Dems under unConstitutional 60 Senate seats needed to block Repug filibusters, which were threatened on nearly every Dem legislation.

It wasn't just a party line vote. Democrats voted against it as well. It would have passed if they hadn't. check it out.

[Blake]

Here lets try an experiment: Fuzzy, Blake, et al. (set aside the constitutionality question) Do you think this action was election year pandering to the hispanic vote?

It seems like everyone but CC knows what my answer to this question will be.

[CosmicCowboy]

It seems like everyone but CC knows what my answer to this question will be.

All you have to do is say it and quit your bullshit attacks.

[CosmicCowboy]

I didn't see anyone arguing that point. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. An action can, at the same time, be a shift in the enforcement of the law and completely naked political pandering.

edit: I don't have time to argue one way or another right now, so I am not trying to get into it. I just wanted to point out that you misspoke since I didn't see anyone say that this wasn't political pandering.

Here lets try an experiment: Fuzzy, Blake, et al. (set aside the constitutionality question) Do you think this action was election year pandering to the hispanic vote?

Sounds fair to me.

[Blake]

All you have to do is say it

Meh, you'd just find something else to accuse me of.

quit your bullshit attacks.

You're a hypocrite and a pussy, Spanky.

Per the usual.

[CosmicCowboy]

he can't say it. Been chuggin that blue koolaid too long.

[mavs>spurs]

You're right. It's completely reasonable to assume that the executive order will include insta-citizenship for these 800,000 folks.

who the fuck cares about the citizenship..they will compete with young AMERICANS for AMERICAN JOBS.

I scoff at this 800,000 number. That is soooooo far from correct. I PERSONALLY know of 10-15 people this will affect..and that's in a small primarily white town. Give me a fucking break "800,000" poor widdle mexicans

[mavs>spurs]

Oh, and BTW, I completely abhor this kind of election-based bullshit. As a former legal alien, who always did everything legally, it's fucking bullshit.

this. thank you.

[mavs>spurs]

This fuckwit is so out of touch with the average every day american citizen. First he says that the private sector is "doing fine." No the hell it is not doing fine. Unemployment is ridiculously high and went up a tick last month.

Now he wants to add millions of illegals to the mix? All I got to say is when November comes around, I hope they are all counted up and reflected in the unemployment numbers, jack that thing up and make the mf'er look even worse.

[Blake]

he can't say it. Been chuggin that blue koolaid too long.

sure I can.

But I'd rather see how many more poor assumptions you will make.

[CosmicCowboy]

pathetic

[CosmicCowboy]

fucking pussy can't say it.

[CosmicCowboy]

Repeat after me...

"My Hero, Barack Obama, is shamelessly pandering to hispanics.

[Blake]

This fuckwit is so out of touch with the average every day american citizen. First he says that the private sector is "doing fine." No the hell it is not doing fine. Unemployment is ridiculously high and went up a tick last month.

Now he wants to add millions of illegals to the mix? All I got to say is when November comes around, I hope they are all counted up and reflected in the unemployment numbers, jack that thing up and make the mf'er look even worse.

What awesome jobs are illegals taking away?

[mavs>spurs]

What awesome jobs are illegals taking away?

dude i go to college with a few illegals that i know of

[Blake]

Repeat after me...

"My Hero, Barack Obama, is shamelessly pandering to hispanics.

”CosmicCowboy is hilariously stupid”

[CosmicCowboy]

little pussy just can't say it.

[Blake]

dude i go to college with a few illegals that i know of

Yeah if they get a work visa, impress the employer in the job interview and take your job, I could see how that might suck.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

why do people act like Obama wasn't gonna dominate the Mexican vote anyway?

[Blake]

little pussy just can't say it.

Big pussy thinks he is #winning.

[mavs>spurs]

I don't know, but I wish for once everyone on both sides of the political spectrum would come together and do what's best for this country. All this meaningless bickering is stupid, even the Dems know that Obama is a bad guy but continue to support him just out of spite.

I'm neither a democrat or a republican so maybe I'm looking at this from a different perspective.

[mavs>spurs]

why do people act like Obama wasn't gonna dominate the Mexican vote anyway?

yup he just made a bad move politically..turned off a lot of voters in order to win votes that he already had.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I don't know, but I wish for once everyone on both sides of the political spectrum would come together and do what's best for this country. All this meaningless bickering is stupid, even the Dems know that Obama is a bad guy but continue to support him just out of spite.

I'm neither a democrat or a republican so maybe I'm looking at this from a different perspective.

I don't see Romney any better than Obama. Obama at least shows no interest in starting a War with Iran which is the tie breaker for me. A War in Iran would be probably the most disastrous thing that could happen to this country right now.

[Blake]

Yeah if they get a work visa, impress the employer in the job interview and take your job, I could see how that might suck.

Of course, stepping your game up is also an option

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Also, the Republican party continues to want to take the world down a path where they deny global climate change and claim it does not exist, which is something I really can't support.

[Drachen]

Sounds fair to me.

Meh, you'd just find something else to accuse me of.



You're a hypocrite and a pussy, Spanky.

Per the usual.

Little disappointed here. Oh well. I will say that this is just like all the other selective enforcement and that it is election year pandering. Imo

[Blake]

Little disappointed here.

It's disappointing that someone would ask me to prove I'm not a blue team homer before going further in the discussion.

[mavs>spurs]

Of course, stepping your game up is also an option

Why don't foreigners have to step theirs up in order to keeP me from coming illegally and taking theirs?

Alot of jobs in china I hear, go ahead and try to border hop. Let's us know what happens.