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"Environmentalists have been successful in creating a terrible distortion of fracking"
You Lie
Where are the distortions?
why did dickhead EXEMPT specifically (Halliburton's) fracking from EPA/Clean Water act?
If there is gag order language in a fucking oil and gas lease then its a custom one.
The Producers 88, aka the most common form out there contains no such language.
Until this is proven mavs>spurs and all others making this claim are full of shit, or believing doctors who are even more full of shit.
The oil and gas industry does some things in a shady manner, I'll be the first to admit that, their education of the public recently over what exactly fracking is and what goes into the process is a major point of contention. While not required to disclose whats in the fluids that are used in the process, they probably should, but will probably not do so until the government regulations force them to do so. Go cry to Congress over this big secret, they are the ones who allow the companies to not disclose the info; they disclose whatever the government tells them to do.
But as far as fucking over landowners, they actually generally go above and beyond in working with landowners, especially when it comes to surface damages; the ones you hear about are by and large those that simply want to cause trouble.
What can wind do for you?
In New York there was heavy propaganda to stop fracking in the Marcellus shale. An example of their pitiful mind games was to coin the term "drive-bys" for the traffic 18-wheelers in residential areas. Seriously? What a low move. It worked though, the papers started using the term.
Boutons, you are the liberal version of CC and WC so I won't even attempt to debate with you. Bottom line is YOU don't know what you're talking about and refuse to listen to those who do.
I resent that comment on several levels.
yeah CC isn't even close to WC as a right wing nut. His views are pretty sensible for the most part and he's independent on a lot of issues. I'd vote for someone with similar views to CC, no way I'd ever vote for someone with the views if WC
He didn't. Again. :facepalm
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Originally Posted by WC
"...but it was your assumption that assumed I made an assumption"
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
...you're not curious about anything outside of your close-minded, benighted blind ideology.
Like San Antonio, NYC takes its water out of the ground direct to the distribution system.
If fracking fucked up that NY aquifer, do you really think the frackers would pays $10Bs to build and maintain the now-non-existent NYC water treatment plants?
Better safe than sorry, esp since the perps would get escape liability.
with assholes like you, it's let the corps do whatever the fuck they want to do, and then let's see if Human-Americans, their land, water, air, health is fucked up.
But that's not what you want to hear. Hopefully others will read this and understand fracking a little better.
what goes in the hole is not the only source of pollution, dumbfuck
the waste water comes back up full of all kinds of shit that went down and stuff that got picked up down there. MILLIONS of gallons PER WELL. And silicois is also a risk since sand goes down and up, in areas where wind-blown sand doesn't exist.
lol. You realize the well bores are cased before fracking, right. Dumbfuck.
Like I said in page two, if you'd pull your head out of your thinkprogess ass, you could almost make a case. But you can't be bothered to commit to rational thought and actual research.
google "frac tank", bot.
what does casing have to do with fracking fluid once it get out of the lower end of the casing and then comes back up and OUT of the casing?
Make the case for this. Maybe a cite or two?
lol boutons
If you're talking about recovering the frac fluid/slurry, generally you run that into a frac tank. If not a tank, companies used to run it back into a lined receiving "pond" and then pump it to a tank. I don't think they do that much anymore. Cheaper to just rent a tank.
<------Used to own a frac tank company in West Texas
Still in business apparently.
http://www.majon.com/local/oil-and-g...ise-frac-tanks
*Brush with fame post*
I bought the company from Barry Tubb
Oh, the fluid just has to pass through sides of thick steel pipes after the cement.
I'm sure Boutons is referring to when you drill a well and then the oil shoots out of the ground like a geyser and all the oil men dance around under the rig. Now that corporate non-humans have introduced frac fluid into the mix...well...that's going all over the place too.
Heres a picture of frac fluid being spilled that Croutons got from thinkprogress.
Yes. This is what I was talking about. And with today's technology, it shoots even harder and further. Sometimes, far enough to be absorbed into the atmosphere. Then it comes down with the rain and eventually makes it's way into the above ground water supplies.Heres a picture of frac fluid being spilled that Croutons got from thinkprogress.
I also hear that oil companies kill baby ducklings to use their feathers in fracking fluids. They're so mean and evil.
little puppies too!
How come they didn't get to ducks yet?
How come they didn't get to ducks yet?
Manu put in a good word for him.
Manu put in a good word for him.
well, we will find out in about a year
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...visers-1-.html
Injection Wells: The Poison Beneath Us
Over the past several decades, U.S. industries have injected more than 30 trillion gallons of toxic liquid deep into the earth, using broad expanses of the nation's geology as an invisible dumping ground.
No company would be allowed to pour such dangerous chemicals into the rivers or onto the soil. But until recently, scientists and environmental officials have assumed that deep layers of rock beneath the earth would safely entomb the waste for millennia.
There are growing signs they were mistaken.
Records from disparate corners of the United States show that wells drilled to bury this waste deep beneath the ground have repeatedly leaked, sending dangerous chemicals and waste gurgling to the surface or, on occasion, seeping into shallow aquifers that store a significant portion of the nation's drinking water.
In 2010, contaminants from such a well bubbled up in a west Los Angeles dog park. Within the past three years, similar fountains of oil and gas drilling waste have appeared in Oklahoma and Louisiana. In South Florida, 20 of the nation's most stringently regulated disposal wells failed in the early 1990s, releasing partly treated sewage into aquifers that may one day be needed to supply Miami's drinking water.
There are more than 680,000 underground waste and injection wells nationwide, more than 150,000 of which shoot industrial fluids thousands of feet below the surface. Scientists and federal regulators acknowledge they do not know how many of the sites are leaking.
Federal officials and many geologists insist that the risks posed by all this dumping are minimal. Accidents are uncommon, they say, and groundwater reserves — from which most Americans get their drinking water — remain safe and far exceed any plausible threat posed by injecting toxic chemicals into the ground.
But in interviews, several key experts acknowledged that the idea that injection is safe rests on science that has not kept pace with reality, and on oversight that doesn't always work.
http://www.propublica.org/article/in...son-beneath-us
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