They have been asking for the documents for over a year now.
They have been asking for the documents for over a year now.
It's right there in black and white. They are calling for strengthened gun laws.read what you want to read
There could be a cover up. Or this could just be Obama wanting to try and look tough, given his history of rolling over on issues. Maybe we'll get to the bottom of it one day, but my gut says the political theater is all that anyone is really interested in.
He doesn't look tough, he looks guilty.
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To anyone that is objective. From CNN
If they would prove he had nothing to hide then why won't they release them?In a letter to Issa after the Tuesday meeting, Cole reiterated Holder's position that the documents would show Holder had nothing to hide about his role in Fast and Furious.
The documents being requested have nothing to do with the original investigation or prosecutions....they concern internal Justice Department communications about the February 4th letter that swore to Congress that no guns had walked...
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Originally Posted by WC
"...but it was your assumption that assumed I made an assumption"
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
...you're not curious about anything outside of your close-minded, benighted blind ideology.
And they've been handed documents, they're just not pleased with them.
This investigation would obviously have a lot more credibility if the investigation would be conducted by a independent investigator. That's what special prosecutors are for.
Whenever Issa is done milking political points and sending bravado letters (CC'ing them to the media), he should formally request a special prosecutor. We've had one to investigate a blow job in the Oval office. I would think getting one to investigate gun trafficking allegations would be a no brainer.
They're calling to "strengthen laws to combat gun trafficking along the Southwestern border". Sounds like a request to strengthen laws against gun trafficking to me.
BTW, I'm not saying there's no wrongdoing or that Holder/Barry/this administration is without blame/guilt. IMO, the problem here is that the accusers are far and away from being "independent". They've a lot of political points to gain by stretching this.
For the most part, accusers usually are in political matters.
To those who don't like him, sure. But if this is just a political maneuver to look tough (and I'm not saying it is or isn't) then that group of people isn't who he's trying to look tough for.
It's already a felony in the US and Mexico. They aren't talking about adding 5 more year to the potential sentence as a deterrent...
Be intellectually honest...they are talking about restricting trafficking by restricting gun sales.
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There's allegedly criminal conduct here... you would think a proper, independent investigation would trump political points...
And who is going to request that? The Democratic leadership?
The Republican leadership?
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Where do you read that?It's already a felony in the US and Mexico. They aren't talking about adding 5 more year to the potential sentence as a deterrent...
Be intellectually honest...they are talking about restricting gun sales.
You're just jumping to conclusions. Not to mention that there's no way anything that has to do with gun control laws passes Congress right now. You can safely remove your tinfoil hat for now
Well, this committee has the power to request just that, and Issa has hinted towards using that power. As I said earlier, they got one to investigate a blow job in the Oval office, I have a hard time thinking they wouldn't get one to investigate alleged criminal gun trafficking...
The (rhetorical) question is: What's taking so long?
You certainly are gullible. It's not tin foil hat stuff to suggest a connection between F&F and the administrations desire to use Mexican Cartel violence as an excuse to strengthen US gun laws.Where do you read that?
You're just jumping to conclusions. Not to mention that there's no way anything that has to do with gun control laws passes Congress right now. You can safely remove your tinfoil hat for now
If they had the documents they requested they would know if they needed an independent council or not. If Holder won't give them to congress he wouldn't give them to an independent council either.
Dude is crooked as fuck even by politician standards
You've yet to point to any "strengthened gun laws" proposals of any kind that developed through this. So far, it's all in your head.
It's ok, you can breathe, nobody is taking your guns away.
Holder has NOT given them the documents they requested. It seems like everyone but you knows that.
6000, out of 80,000 requested is the tally, I believe.
Wonder what Kenneth Starr is doing these days?
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Issa was apparently convinced he needed a special prosecutor at least as far back as Sept last year.
What's the holdup?
At which point the "coverup" allegations can actually be taken seriously, since there would be no room for "biased/political" interpretations. Maybe we'll get there once the dog and pony show is over.
You live under a fucking rock? Holder is on record wanting to reinstate the assault rifle ban.
Apparently Teysha knows more than you do.
Apparently we ALL know more than YOU do.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story...1#.T-Ih-LW0x8E
The Obama administration will seek to reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 during the Bush administration, Attorney General Eric Holder said today.
"As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons," Holder told reporters.
Holder said that putting the ban back in place would not only be a positive move by the United States, it would help cut down on the flow of guns going across the border into Mexico, which is struggling with heavy violence among drug cartels along the border.
"I think that will have a positive impact in Mexico, at a minimum." Holder said at a news conference on the arrest of more than 700 people in a drug enforcement crackdown on Mexican drug cartels operating in the U.S.
Mexican government officials have complained that the availability of sophisticated guns from the United States have emboldened drug traffickers to fight over access routes into the U.S.
A State Department travel warning issued Feb. 20, 2009, reflected government concerns about the violence.
"Some recent Mexican army and police confrontations with drug cartels have resembled small-unit combat, with cartels employing automatic weapons and grenades," the warning said. "Large firefights have taken place in many towns and cities across Mexico, but most recently in northern Mexico, including Tijuana, Chihuahua City and Ciudad Juarez."
At the news conference today, Holder described his discussions with his Mexican counterpart about the recent spike in violence.
"I met yesterday with Attorney General Medina Mora of Mexico, and we discussed the unprecedented levels of violence his country is facing because of their enforcement efforts," he said.
Holder declined to offer any time frame for the reimplementation of the assault weapons ban, however.
"It's something, as I said, that the president talked about during the campaign," he said. "There are obviously a number of things that are -- that have been taking up a substantial amount of his time, and so, I'm not sure exactly what the sequencing will be."
In a brief interview with ABC News, Wayne LaPierre, president of the National Rifle Association, said, "I think there are a lot of Democrats on Capitol Hill cringing at Eric Holder's comments right now."
During his confirmation hearing, Holder told the Senate Judiciary Committee about other gun control measures the Obama administration may consider.
"I think closing the gun show loophole, the banning of cop-killer bullets and I also think that making the assault weapons ban permanent, would be something that would be permitted under Heller," Holder said, referring to the Supreme Court ruling in Washington, D.C. v. Heller, which asserted the Second Amendment as an individual's right to own a weapon.
The Assault Weapons Ban signed into law by President Clinton in 1994 banned 19 types of semi-automatic military-style guns and ammunition clips with more than 10 rounds.
"A semi-automatic is a quintessential self-defense firearm owned by American citizens in this country," LaPierre said. "I think it is clearly covered under Heller and it's clearly, I think, protected by the Constitution."
I'll take that as "No, I don't know any strengthened gun laws proposals of any kind that developed through this. It's all in my head".
There's a lot of supporters of strengthened gun control in Congress. Bottom line is Holder can't do anything without a law. And even in the event he has control of Congress (which he doesn't), he wouldn't need to smuggle guns to get that done.
It's ok, your guns are not going anywhere.
So Holder did deliver some documents to the commission, but not all the ones the commission wanted
Why wasn't the Assault Weapon ban re-instituted when the Dems controlled Congress too? And you're stressing the ban can come back now that the GOP runs the House?
ZOMG! Some Dems are for gun control! Did you just found that out?
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