one game against the bobcats imo
one game against the bobcats imo
At this point Cuban has to sign D Will. The fans are already pissed off about letting Chandler and Barea go. If he then whiffs on Deron, there will be a fan mutiny in Dallas. I still understand what Cuban was thinking, but as the Triple D Dynasty looks less and less likely, Cuban is looking more and more retarded.
I think Deron signs here. What is more important this offseason is Donnie drafting a decent player in the 1st round, since that hasn't happened in fucking forever.
To be fair, it wasn't his fault Atlanta panicked and made Joe Johnson synonymous with albatross contracts. Amare leaving for the only coached he loved (and picking up an albatross contract in the process) was probably his fault too.I agree completely. The Suns' situation was particularly dumb. Sarver was giving long term deals out to Childress, Warrick, and Frye, while he was also telling Suns fans about how the new CBA was gonna have stuff that made giving role players long term deals even more stupid
The best was when Sarver had a presser specifically about how the new CBA was gonna have franchise tags like the NFL which was gonna help the Suns retain free agents in the future. I'm pretty sure Sarver has no idea what a franchise tag is. A franchise tag means you can match the offer any other team gives a player, which he had the opportunity to do with both Joe Johnson and Amare
Really, it shows how good Nash was that his teammates were all eventually overpaid.
And I doubt the Spurs would have reached the WCF this year if RC didn't ship George Hill (a solid combo guard, but IMO not a piece to put you over the top) for Kawhi Leonard (who is a stud) and the rights to Lorbek (who should be an upgrade over Bonner, unless he decides money is more important)
Not as impressive as a rookie dropping 55 IMO
It's too bad all this didn't happen just a year later. Next years draft class features both CP3 and Bynum as unrestricted free agents.
I guess we differ on where we rank Deron. I said you don't spend money on average players - Deron is a very top talent (even if you don't agree about the impact). That is why I don't blame NY for Amare. They missed on Lebron, but Amare was an impact player and the best you can do. Deron is an impact player and the best they can do this year IMO. He isn't in the same mold of doing what NJ did or PHX.
Not to mention barring a trade, Dwight Howard.
I'd take the injury prone guy who dropped 30 boards over the team cancer who dogged it to get his coach fired, though.
Howard got his coach fired too.Not to mention barring a trade, Dwight Howard.
I'd take the injury prone guy who dropped 30 boards over the team cancer who dogged it to get his coach fired, though.
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What I said.
To me, Deron is an impact player like an Amare in that 2nd tier. Also in my eyes, over paying relative to what a player brings to the table is still overpaying, it doesnt matter if you overpay some role players or overplay a glorified #2 option, it still cripples your flexibility and hurts your ability to contend long term.
I just can't think of a reason in my mind that justifies giving Deron the max. We'd surely regret it when he's 31. I don't even think he's a max player now, like DoK said there isn't a pg in the league worth the max. I'd rather just pass and build a team the right way, with solid defense and bigs.
Sure but Dirk is aging and you have limited time. If you get Deron and you have Dirk/Deron, then you spend wisely on FA's, you have a competitive team right away.
Deron is definitely tier 2, but when you have a tier 1 like Dirk, you have to get that tier 2 guy.
Sadly, I'm afraid they're both tier 2 at this point. Dirk/Deron just doesn't contend for a championship therefore it's pointless.
It's not pointless - you have to give them a shot. With Dirk and Deron, if you add other players (they will still have some cap space and draft picks) you have a shot.
Point is with guys like Charlie V, Childress...you have 0 chance.
Who are those other guys you had in mind? I'm looking at the list and there isn't much in the category of unrestricted. Not seeing any names who propel us into contention with OKC/Miami. I think it would be fun for a while to keep the "dream" alive a bit longer, but realistically we'd be 2nd round fodder like 08-10. Our team is gutted.
Guys don't forget that in all likelihood we lose Jet this year. From what I understand, they have parted ways. I don't work in the FO though could be wrong, but unlikely.
Ya, that was part of the risk of blowing the team up if you don't land Deron/Dwight (which is an extreme long shot now).
They have to draft well with this pick to start. It is not just this year either. They may have to wait a little bit (until next year, fill out this year's roster with some low cost/decent upside players on small short contracts) until they can really piece it together.
But if you pair Dirk/Deron and you have Roddy who develops some, some decent young bigs (seems like you don't need a dominant post game any more to win)
You are looking at Deron/Roddy/Marion/Dirk/.....with some depth bigs Wright/Ian....you are on a decent path.
Hell, if they can talk Deron into it (like they would have had to talk Dwight/Deron if they came) into taking less than max, you can make a run at a guy like JaVale McGee instead of Dwight and still have a pretty athletic solid team (Deron/Roddy/Marion/Dirk/McGee).
Dallas has Azubuike that is on a cheap contract - and if he is healthy, he is a decent player.
Another out of the box idea is going after Deron/KG. KG would be a great compliment to Dirk and he showed he has some gas left in the tank. If Dallas is willing to give him a long contract, that might be enough to get him to Dallas IMO.
Don't count that out my nigga. If Cuban strikes out on D-Will don't expect him to panic and waste all that cap space on average players, he'll do what we saw this year...a bunch of 1 year deals in order to keep the powder dry
KG gonna stay in Boston or retire. Would be a good idea but I can't see him playing anywhere but Boston
I agree - but he might be enticed if a team gives him a 3/4 year deal.
so dallas should do everything needed to block any possible deal between orlando & brooklyn tbh. dallas is definitely his favorite destination, the nets ain't worth a shit and the only possibility they becoming a legit option here is if they get DH.
nigga is a LOCKED one for dallas if they can prevent them nets from gettin DH tbh
You really have no idea what you're talking about.
First, it was his fault fault JJ got that contract. JJ's agent proposed a very reasonable extension offer a year earlier and Sarver responded with something like, "You want your next contract, go earn it!" Well, JJ earned it and Sarver was too cheap to leave up to his word. The contract he just signed is albatross, but JJ kept up a high level of play during the 5 year contract he signed with Atlanta that Sarver didn't match.
Also, the "only coach he ever loved" thing is total GNSF bullshit. Amare has made countless public comments indirectly criticizing D'antoni, and Amare gave the Suns the chance to match the Knicks offer (at a small discount). He signed with the Knicks because they offered him $40,000,000 more in guaranteed money than the Suns did.
Anyway, you, in typical GNSF fashion, lack reading comprehension skills and completely butchered the point of my post. My post was talking about how Sarver was raving about possibly having franchise tags to help him keep free agents while having no fuckin idea how a franchise tag worked. A franchise tag enables you to match any offer another team gives, something he had the choice to do with both JJ and Amare but elected not to do. Point being, a franchise tag would have done jack shit for him in either situation and he was just talking out of his ass. Franchise tags don't help owners who are too cheap to give players their market value, they help owners like Dan Gilbert, not Robert Sarver.
I love Dwill but a max deal does seem a bit much in the New CBA
"Greatness is greedy" - Doug Collins after watching Kobe Bryant doing work in the 2001 WCF vs. the SA Spurs.
Like ylab1 said, it doesn't really matter. Cuban's gonna have to pay whatever it takes to get him otherwise he'll look like a giant dumbass
^in my eyes that would only make him more of one imho
Deron would only give a discount to Dallas.
Even if he did what I proposed or added something major (Bynum ) the following year too?
Deron for the max isn't the worst contract in the world. He's not nearly as bad as some of you make it sound. He's had a shit cast around him, with Dirk I could see him shine again.
if they got bynum sure, but i dont see them being able to afford 2 max contracts. deron needs to come here for what he's actually worth if we are going to have any flexibility to work with.
They never could afford 2 max contracts with Dirk making the money he does - It is the same drill if Dwight/Deron were to ever come - they would have to take less than max (15-18M per year each).
What about KG, JaVale McGee...You pair Dirk and Deron with them plus based Rod and not so bad (doesn't make up for blowing the team up IMO, but definitely has potential).
right they would BOTH have to compromise...meaning that if we offer deron the max, you can rest assured that neither dwight nor bynum are going to volunteer to "compromise" enough for the both of them
I'm interested in KG. what i'd like to do is offer deron about 4 yrs/60 million, sign kg to a 1 year, and then make a play at bynum next year. in a perfect world of course, just my pipedream.
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