Nope. That's pretty much it. Tax <> Insurance policy.
Nope. That's pretty much it. Tax <> Insurance policy.
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Originally Posted by WC
"...but it was your assumption that assumed I made an assumption"
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
...you're not curious about anything outside of your close-minded, benighted blind ideology.
now, could you imagine doctors that would wave their office fees for these people?
that would certainly take the pressure off abortion clinics.
the penalty is way too low. It should be equal to what the market price for a healthy person.
I see where we got crossed up. You're talking about people with no insurance who are paying the fine and I'm talking about people who are going to be given insurance that they don't have to pay for.
wait, what?
Certain low income folks are going to get refundable tax credits to buy their insurance with.
More like politicians lovefest with power...
can't have a federal income tax, if you think obamacare is unconstitutional....think about it.
keep going. where's the qualifications on that? what are the parameters?
next stop......................break up the insurance monopolies.
6 insurance companies for 300 million people=monopoly
think about it.
I'm not sure why you are busting his balls on this. It's common knowledge and has always been a talking point in support of the plan.
Link below should answer all your questions about this.
http://healthreformgps.org/resources...nce-exchanges/
i'm not in any way trying to bust his balls. i want to know what the parameters are for those getting tax refunded/subsidized health insurance.
have you seen it?
thanks
i'll be reading now.
gotta spend more time on that. the ambiguity on that is stifling!
Precisely why I linked it instead of trying to explain it.
we could have both died if you tried to do that.
Precisely why I linked it instead of trying to explain it.
Precisely why I linked it instead of trying to explain it.
The depth thing again?
i need a longer snorkel.
Precisely why I linked it instead of trying to explain it.
The depth thing again?
we could have both died if you tried to do that.
Definitely. I read just enough to determine that it was talking about what I thought it was talking about, and even that made my head hurt.
Precisely why I linked it instead of trying to explain it.
The depth thing again?
Romney Blasts Supreme Court, Calling Healthcare Act ‘Worst Idea I Ever Had’
Just minutes after the Supreme Court upheld President Obama’s Affordable Care Act, Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney slammed the Court, calling the law “the worst idea I ever had.”
“I vow to repeal this law on my first day in office,” he told a crowd at a campaign rally. “Until then, I will work tirelessly to make people forget that I used to totally love it.”
At the White House, President Obama greeted the news of the Court’s decision in muted fashion: “I haven’t been this pumped since I smoked bin Laden.”
Dissenters in the 5-4 decision included Justice Antonin Scalia, who wrote, “The only medical procedures the government should pay for are forced transvaginal ultrasounds and exorcisms.”
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell also had harsh words for the healthcare law, telling reporters, “Under Obamacare, you will be forced to marry a gay doctor.”
http://www.borowitzreport.com/
So if the republicans win the senate and the WH and keep the house, can they repeal the ACA or can the dems filibuster to prevent it from being repealed (assuming repups don't have 60 in the senate which is obviously not happening)?
The more I look into this the crazier it gets. This thing is going to cost BILLIONS more than they projected because of people like me.
The biggie is going to be the insurance subsidies. Insurance is going to be subsidized for everyone making up to 4X the poverty level or $88,000. There is no way they can pay for them without raising income taxes substantially on those that are paying taxes.
From a selfish standpoint I guess I should be for it if if wasn't going to finish bankrupting the country.
I know that I am a small employer that currently pays 100% of insurance for employee and family, but with a high deductible. When this goes through I can drop their insurance, give them all $2 an hour raises and they will get lower deductible federally subsidized insurance than I can currently buy for the same out of pocket cost.
I'm a small enough company that the penalty won't apply to me and since I run my corporation to show zero profit the tax credit won't help. I can quit paying for insurance, let uncle sam pick up the tab for my employees and put $75,000 in my pocket after buying a personal policy for myself.
gotta see how it plays out in 2014, but i hear ya.
Twenty democratic senators are up for relection in 2014, so if the republicans were somehow able to pull off a Romney win I don't think they'd need to make it all the way to 60 to get past a filibuster. They'd probably be able to pick off some dems scared for their jobs. But the republicans would still need to get at least into the mid 50s this november and it's incredibly unlikely that's going to happen. Not to mention the obvious problem of Romney winning in the first place.
I predict the country won't go bankrupt over this...
Bold prediction, tbh
I'd be curious to know what percentage of the country lives in a household that's under that 4x line. I'll bet you it's easily half, if not two thirds.
I don't think it will take too long after implementation for everyone to realize that the subsidies are going to need to get scaled back quite a bit. For this to survive in any form you'd have to scale back the subsidies and jack up the fines.
Already is.
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